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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan Yeh

Jonathan Yeh has started 11 posts and replied 90 times.

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Yeh:
Originally posted by @Huong Luu:

@Jonathan Yeh Great question and so much great advice from everyone! I didn't read all the comments, but things that jumped out were:

1. Yes, you can definitely do mortgages in Canada at 9%. (I got a client out of a 14% mortgage... ) . Message me separately if you want to know how. 

2. Use the money as your golden geese -- the principle doesn't decrease but you invest it and it makes money for you. If you don't need the money now, then let compound interest work in your favor. It will double in 7.2 years at 10%.

3. Look at what kind of life you want and make decisions, using the money to get you to the life. 

4. Don't use that money to pay off your primary if you are in Canada, unless you are close to retirement. Use that money to invest and then use the profit to pay off your primary. 

5. Put the funds into an IFA then use the money from the IFA to buy investments that give you 10%+. 

Thank you for such great advice!

The main reason I am on that route is because I will not be purchasing THAT many rentals in a short period of time. So instead of leaving money in the saving account, I thought I'd use that for my primary residence first, and when I need the money for more rental properties, I'd HELOC that and lock that into mortgage. I don't want to invest the money into stock market; the money is only used for real estate purpose. Not sure what else will give me that 10% return without any major risks.

What do you think?

 Why would you take money out of a place where you can access and use it for free, and put it in a place where it will cost you to access and use it?

 The main reason is because I will only start off with 2 properties (one prim, one rental). I won't be buying more until I learn more in this field to reduce the risks of making stupid mistakes. If I only pay off 20% for each property (they require 20% cause of my job), I'd still have quite a bit left in my saving account. I don't want to have it sit there and make nothing while waiting for the next rental opportunity show up. So I thought by putting most of it into my primary residence, and pay off 20% down payment for rental, at least I won't be paying for mortgage (my own money!) until I have something else in the future.

Also, aren't having mortgage now and HELOC (locks in as mortgage) in the future pretty much the same though? BTW thank you for all these great advices, much appreciated!!

Originally posted by @Jeremy Porto:

I would passively invest it in a real estate syndication.  Depending on the amount, diversify it among several operators in several markets over several deals.  

I would much rather have a stream of never-ending (almost) income than just a chunk of change that could one day run out. 

Again, depending on the amount, conceivably you could retire and never worry about it running out if you invested it this way.  Every time one of the syndications ends (5-7 years or longer), find a new syndication to reinvest.  You get cashflow throughout the hold period, so you're money isn't completely locked away either.

 Man, I wish I understand syndication more and how that works. I cannot convince myself to invest in something that I know barely anything about. The passive income part is definitely a lot more attractive than finding tenants, collecting rents....etc. Also, if I do syndication, I probably won't have enough for my primary residence! unless I pay 5% of it...ugh. So many things to think about!

Originally posted by @Huong Luu:

@Jonathan Yeh Great question and so much great advice from everyone! I didn't read all the comments, but things that jumped out were:

1. Yes, you can definitely do mortgages in Canada at 9%. (I got a client out of a 14% mortgage... ) . Message me separately if you want to know how. 

2. Use the money as your golden geese -- the principle doesn't decrease but you invest it and it makes money for you. If you don't need the money now, then let compound interest work in your favor. It will double in 7.2 years at 10%.

3. Look at what kind of life you want and make decisions, using the money to get you to the life. 

4. Don't use that money to pay off your primary if you are in Canada, unless you are close to retirement. Use that money to invest and then use the profit to pay off your primary. 

5. Put the funds into an IFA then use the money from the IFA to buy investments that give you 10%+. 

Thank you for such great advice!

The main reason I am on that route is because I will not be purchasing THAT many rentals in a short period of time. So instead of leaving money in the saving account, I thought I'd use that for my primary residence first, and when I need the money for more rental properties, I'd HELOC that and lock that into mortgage. I don't want to invest the money into stock market; the money is only used for real estate purpose. Not sure what else will give me that 10% return without any major risks.

What do you think?

Originally posted by @Jacob Karasch:

It really depends on how big the sum of money is. Different amounts would accelerate me to different points in my plan.

$0-$400k: This is good seed money to ramp up my BRRRR investing.

$400k-$1M: This is enough money that I could buy some high-cashflow multifamily properties to cover my expenses, then quit my job and go full time on investing the rest.

$1M+: Accredited Investor Status. Spread the money out into high-return syndications, high-cashflow multifamily, stocks and probably a business I would enjoy pouring my free time into such as a brewery or cafe. 

 Although I am in that second range of yours. I do not own a primary residency yet, and I'm not sure if I should pay off my primary residence since it's not a rental property. Even if I rent out the basement, it wont be high enough to cover for my mortgage anyway. What do you think?

Originally posted by @Arvi Carkanji:

@jonathan, I would still get a loan for my primary. The more investments the better. To me it wouldn't make sense to tie up all the cash in one property. If I had a large sum, I would put as much as I could for down-payments and have as much cash-flow/appreciating properties as possible. I do not buy turnkey though and if I do they are at a discount. 

What if the mortgage from the primary is higher than the rent (I'm renting out the basement) tho? Just look at it as in living there on a discount? Or must be a positive cash flow as well?

Originally posted by @Ryan Hoover:

@Jonathan Yeh

I was just thinking of this last night. I can only answer from my own personal experience. Depending on the size of the lump sum. I would pay off a few of my currently held rentals to get to the point of bringing in monthly cash flow that covers my current income.

After finally becoming financially free, or at least have more options, I would continue to work and put down 30% on an apartment complex. That would pay much more than the mortgage savings.

 I take it that your rental properties are not in positive cashflow?

I agree completely, also helps out with the the average almost like buying stocks.

Originally posted by @Lewis Christman:

Depends on the amount of money.  If it is stupid money I would pay all my debts and invest in municipal bond funds (tax free from federal, state and local) and live / invest off of the interest.

If not stupid money then it would depend on how much and what the world is like at the time (real estate in my area is over priced in general - I'm sure there is a deal out there somewhere).  Stock market at all time highs (like now) or at lows?

I would spread it around to be diversified.

 Haha it's not a stupid amount of money that I can retire from for sure. But yes, I'll try my best to diversify the money for sure.

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Yeh:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Michael Ealy:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Yeh:

When you said you would use it over and over again, what are you referring to? 

 Use it like your seed money.  NEver spend it.  Use it as many times as you can.  To do this you must flip the cash.  Notice I said "cash".  Every time you flip it, it comes back to you with friends.  Reinvest (use/flip) both over and over.  It grows exponentially.  Eventually you "spend" (one use) the profits (friends)...but NEVER spend your seed money.  Once spent, it's gone forever.  Use it (many times), and it's the gift that keeps on giving.

 I agree with Joe.

What he means is doing BRRR or value add then refi/cash out.

For example, say your "large sum" of money is $100K.

You buy a house for $70K, put in $30K in rehab, rent it for $1500/mo and now it's worth $150,000. Get 70% of that through a cash out refinance (from a bank), then you get your $100K out to do the next deal.

So, in theory, you don't run out of cash. In theory but it's predicated on the assumption you have excellent deal flow and can get good bank financing (and the bank will allow you to have an unlimited number of loans).

Depending on how large your "large sum of money" is, you can do the BRRR strategy with multi-unit apartment building or hotels. In the commercial world, we call it value-add. That's what I do. In some respects, it's easier than houses because commercial lenders don't care how many loans they give you (but with residential, in the US, their limit is 10 loans). Also, qualifying is more a function of experience, networth, credit and the income of the property itself not so much your personal income.

Hope this helps.

 Keep in mind though, refinancing ISN'T getting your money back out.  Your money is still in the property, and being used as collateral on the refi...which is NEW money.  This is a way of funding deals, but it is NOT an example of reusing your own money.

 Thanks for the reminder, my worry with refinancing is that IF the housing market crashes, then we won't be able to refinance at all..which is also why I am unsure about paying off most of the house to begin with. What do you think?

 If you're talking about paying off a rental house, my answer is you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.  That's your tenant's job through the rent, not your's.

 Sorry, I meant my primary residence. 

Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Michael Ealy:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Jonathan Yeh:

When you said you would use it over and over again, what are you referring to? 

 Use it like your seed money.  NEver spend it.  Use it as many times as you can.  To do this you must flip the cash.  Notice I said "cash".  Every time you flip it, it comes back to you with friends.  Reinvest (use/flip) both over and over.  It grows exponentially.  Eventually you "spend" (one use) the profits (friends)...but NEVER spend your seed money.  Once spent, it's gone forever.  Use it (many times), and it's the gift that keeps on giving.

 I agree with Joe.

What he means is doing BRRR or value add then refi/cash out.

For example, say your "large sum" of money is $100K.

You buy a house for $70K, put in $30K in rehab, rent it for $1500/mo and now it's worth $150,000. Get 70% of that through a cash out refinance (from a bank), then you get your $100K out to do the next deal.

So, in theory, you don't run out of cash. In theory but it's predicated on the assumption you have excellent deal flow and can get good bank financing (and the bank will allow you to have an unlimited number of loans).

Depending on how large your "large sum of money" is, you can do the BRRR strategy with multi-unit apartment building or hotels. In the commercial world, we call it value-add. That's what I do. In some respects, it's easier than houses because commercial lenders don't care how many loans they give you (but with residential, in the US, their limit is 10 loans). Also, qualifying is more a function of experience, networth, credit and the income of the property itself not so much your personal income.

Hope this helps.

 Keep in mind though, refinancing ISN'T getting your money back out.  Your money is still in the property, and being used as collateral on the refi...which is NEW money.  This is a way of funding deals, but it is NOT an example of reusing your own money.

 Thanks for the reminder, my worry with refinancing is that IF the housing market crashes, then we won't be able to refinance at all..which is also why I am unsure about paying off most of the house to begin with. What do you think?