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All Forum Posts by: Jon Martin

Jon Martin has started 36 posts and replied 1075 times.

Sounds like a cool project! If you do add a pool I would recommend making it a shared amenity for all of the units, which will increase the marketability for all of them, plus it's a place for guests from different units to meet and hang out together. This goes for all amenities that are meant to be shared, plus it makes it more likely that the whole property will be rented out by larger groups such as reunions, companies, church groups etc

As far as liability, make sure you follow all applicable code pertaining to pools. Even if those types of laws don't apply I would still have basic safety measures in place such as full fencing, self closing gates and safety equipment for insurance sake. 

Quote from @Austin Fowler: Do you know anyone specific that is still adding short-term rentals to their portfolio? Does anyone in this thread know anyone specific that is systematically adding short-term rentals? In a profitable, scalable, repeatable, professional manner?

IMO you are only scalable in STR if you have multiple properties in the same market because at least you can consolidate your vendors. Eventually you could create your own cleaning company to reduce cleaning expenses, and have a QC inspector to get ahead of the inevitable complaints and headaches that come from having so many units in operation.
Even then you still need a lot of units to justify investing in those personnel and having enough work to keep them consistently busy, and that is a brutal no mans land to traverse between being a small STR investor with a W2 and someone who makes their living from it exclusively. 

The other scalability problem with STR is that each unit has its own mortgage, insurance policy, a property tax bill, outdoor areas requiring maintenance, HVACs that go out and cost a fortune, and many other potential expenses and time black holes that are specific and exclusive to each unit you own. 

Quote from @James Carlson:

The right STR property is always a good buy.

The short-term rental market, at least here in Colorado, has birfurcated. You either go:

-- Small and unique couples getaway. Think cool A-frame with awesome amenities.

-- 5br+ vacation rental for big groups.

The good-enough but bland 3br cabin just doesn't cut it anymore. My two cents, at least.


This is what I have been saying for a while now. In most markets you are either one bedroom or 5+ bedroom. Renovating a property as we speak that will have 7 bedrooms once finished. I would only buy a 2-4 bedroom property if it were in a A+++ location and/or a market where that bedroom count works the best and there is no premium for having more bedrooms. I know these markets exist, although they seem to be the exception. 

As for the 1 bedroom route, at that point you are competing with hotels so you may as well be one. Buy a commercially zoned properties and build extra units with pooled amenities. The fixed costs are a killer with small properties. 

I only look at 5+ bedroom properties or those that can be converted into it. The 1-3 bedroom space is saturated in most markets. The revenue slope goes parabolic in most markets once you are 5 or more bedrooms. Plus you get people booking well ahead of time for events. 

Post: 3/2 or 2/2 + Game Room?

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Quote from @Mark Driskell:

Heads in beds 100%. And be intentional about the bed types. Know your market and what is appealing to them. King beds whenever you can, bunk beds ONLY if you are in a big family market.

I would opt for twins (doesn't have to be bunk beds) in the 3rd bedroom in almost all situations, unless it is somewhere that you know you are more likely to get 3 couples traveling together than families. Which seems rare outside of markets that are mostly centered around non-kid friendly activities. 

Post: 3/2 or 2/2 + Game Room?

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3rd bedroom over game room. Depending on the market, a 2 bedroom may not even attract the guest avatar that would regularly use and appreciate the game room. The more rooms/heads, the more likely they are to want a game room because more people can enjoy it together. 

I would definitely convert the garage so long as you have ample parking outside. Garages go mostly unused by STR guests. a 2 car gives you a lot of space and options, because a pool table with clearance will take up that entire master. With the garage you have double the space, so you could do a pool table in one bay and still have the other side for arcades, shuffleboard etc

Quote from @Christina B.:

@Jon Martin Lol. Can't rent an Airbnb without seeing it from host perspective. Currently staying in a half-assed STR with a great location. Reached out to hosts with issues. Received canned response (and nothing done). Debating if I leave a review knowing nothing posts if either party does not leave a review.


Thanks for the Clifs Notes! I think if you reach out to the host and give them a fair chance to address the issues, and in response they are complacent and making no effort, then leaving a negative review is absolutely fair. 

TLDR

Try to condense and get back to us

Quote from @Garrett Brown:
Quote from @Jon Martin:

Been operating in Greenville SC for 2.5 years, slightly outside the city limits as mentioned above by @John Underwood

Have looked at a fair number of properties in #1, 3, 4, 13 & 15. Santa Fe has great numbers and I was close to putting in offers until I spoke with the city last fall. They were close to their STR permit limit at the time and were waiting until the spring to open up the application process, at which point they were likely to exhaust the remaining supply. Could still be a "outside the city limits" play.

Honolulu, NYC and Boston seem like a no go between regulations and entry prices. Nashville, Charleston and Austin seem tough as well. 


Good info! I do think most of the list is not the best place to invest if people are searching for random markets. Greenville and Savannah seemed like the STR winners when just looking at their data. Interesting to hear investors in Savannah say it's slow for the first time for them though. I was surprised they had Santa Fe at #1 on this though

Santa Fe has similar revenue to Sedona but much lower entry price. Greenville and Savannah are still affordable as well and have very good occupancy year round. 

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