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All Forum Posts by: Jonathan R.

Jonathan R. has started 13 posts and replied 568 times.

Post: Living in San Diego and trying to invest in our-of-state MF

Jonathan R.Posted
  • Investor
  • Wichita, KS
  • Posts 584
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I don’t mean to be a drag on this thread but see you have been on the site since 2017 and we are in late Nov. and you are still on the forums kicking Wichita around and the idea of getting started? This isn’t personal to you, but to anyone sitting on the fence thinking about getting into RE this long... it’s too long. 

Last week I bought a 2 bed 1 bath sfh for under 10k in a C area at a public auction (I know it’s a C area because I typically buy D’s), the county appraisal was 20k higher than what I bought the house for (less than 10k!) So, I wholesaled it, never done that before, instant cash to keep buying more rentals. I’ve only been at this three years and have ownership in a handful of rentals. I don’t have a third eye. Get in or keeping watching others find deals. Best of luck to you.

PS we spoke roughly two years ago by email, you never followed my advice then. I was willing to be a resource. Hard to want to get excited for your question now. I’ll pass.

Post: Wichita Riverfront Legacy Master Plan

Jonathan R.Posted
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  • Wichita, KS
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@Shane H. @Jared Viernes The Farts (The Wind Surges)- oh my. Someone is losing their job over this I hope.

Or-So and So team breaks Wind late in the game! (I can see the headlines now)

Post: Wichita Riverfront Legacy Master Plan

Jonathan R.Posted
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  • Wichita, KS
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@Jared Viernes what initiative are you excited about that you feel investors might want to lobby for?

Post: Evicting for Noise- Mental Illness...

Jonathan R.Posted
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  • Wichita, KS
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Originally posted by @Patti Robertson:

I had almost this exact scenario in a 4 plex. I took on a building that was owned by a disabled vet who was soft on one of the tenants who was also 
a disabled Vet.  We ended up turning all three other units right after taking over. The new tenants were all threatened by this guy, and they and each of the neighbors on either side of our building all got restraining orders against this guy. He ended up going to jail, during which time he failed to pay rent, which was how we were able to evict him.


I’m sure it comes with little surprise that you were exactly who I had in mind that I wanted to reply to this question, as this very much is an advanced Section 8 landlording question/situation. 

If you were me, would you deal with once a week loud outbursts (30 minutes or more or till the cops come) for the next year and then not renew potentially. Can I even choose not to renew with him after a year? For what reason can I say I won’t renew- I of course have the intention to list it again in search of another Section 8 tenant...?

Post: Evicting for Noise- Mental Illness...

Jonathan R.Posted
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  • Wichita, KS
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Originally posted by @Felicia Elliott:

I had a similar case  where the head of household passed. The remaining tenants were mentally ill and  the neighbor would constantly complain about strange noises coming from their unit. I had to get their caseworker involved. There was no way I could communicate with them well eventually it was determined by the case worker that they needed to be house in an assisted living facility due to their condition and they were later housed at a facility 

 Thank you for posting! I do actually like the guy, my preference is he stays.

Post: Evicting for Noise- Mental Illness...

Jonathan R.Posted
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  • Wichita, KS
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Originally posted by @Dennis M.:

Call section 8 and inform them he’s disturbing the peace and quiet enjoyment . I’d send him a formal notice too to cover your butt . You may need to formally evict this idiot . I hope your section 8 is better than mine is . Absolutely make no mention of his illness or his mental conniption fits even though this is common sense ,the law protects this moron from ever being held accountable to his actions .

I guess you could say I have a similiar situation going on but the guy plays his stereo loud at eleven and talks to himself . He does pay rent though ! Mental illness is no joke in these low income areas it’s very prevalent and you gotta dance around this being he’s a protected class . Where is the landlord protection ? Are we not a protected class for all the crap and drama we put up with to house the community misfits no one wants ?

 We know our tenants all too well, Dennis. I’m pretty sure you and I could trade portfolios and we wouldn’t miss a beat. 

Post: Evicting for Noise- Mental Illness...

Jonathan R.Posted
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  • Wichita, KS
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Originally posted by @Jeff Willis:

@Jonathan R. 

I agree 100% in what you are saying and it can create a problem You need to work with their placement officer or the responsible person (family, etc) and get it resolved. May they need to go to a care facility. What I am saying is that you need to aware of the Fair Housing Act and how it applies. If you are found in violation, in addition to being sued, you can kiss your Section 8 authorization goodbye. I saw this happen to an S8 landlord in Redding, CA. He evicted someone because they were autistic. He was sued and can no longer participate in S8.

All I am saying is be careful.

 Thank you for that.

Post: Evicting for Noise- Mental Illness...

Jonathan R.Posted
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@Jeff Willis Let’s say I decide to permanently continue to ignore his now once a week hour long outbursts that other tenants and neighbors think are worthy of calling the police. Am I being fair and kind to the others around him by letting him stay? I pride myself on not being a slumlord... Am I being a slumlord if I do nothing and let him stay (keep in mind he and the gov’t are still paying me-which I like), or am I a bad guy for wanting to kick him out? Not seeing the win win here... Thanks for your in-site.

Any yes, his case worker/s are aware of his disability, I believe they do their best. Everyone but me seems to be knowledgeable about what to expect from him.

Post: Evicting for Noise- Mental Illness...

Jonathan R.Posted
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  • Wichita, KS
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Originally posted by @Jeff Willis:

Notwithstanding the advice of the others as to contacting their caseworker (handler), which is all correct, there are other considerations. You need legal help in this case.

You said this person appears to have a mental disability and if so, be very careful. If their outbursts are the result of this disability and you act on that, you may be running afoul of the federal Fair Housing Act which prohibits:

Terminate a tenancy for a discriminatory reason.


Federal law prohibits discrimination against people who:


  • have a physical or mental disability that substantially limits one or more major life activities—including, but not limited to, hearing, mobility and visual impairments; chronic alcoholism (but only if it is being addressed through a recovery program); mental illness; mental retardation; being HIV-positive, having AIDS or AIDS-Related Complex

  • have a history or record of such a disability, or
 are regarded by others to have such a disability.


Bingo! Yes, his outburst I do expect are a direct result of his disability. If I had to guess, I think he’s schizophrenic. My dream scenario is he gets the help he needs, because he’ll just do this whereever he goes. Ideally, he’ll stay. But these outbursts are very bad, long (the can last 30 minutes to an hour). 

Post: Evicting for Noise- Mental Illness...

Jonathan R.Posted
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  • Wichita, KS
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Originally posted by @Mary M.:

Contact his handler. Then, when he causes disrubances call the police. Be sure to write him up for disturbing peaceful enjoyment. 

You need to follow the process step by step 

I would personally also  get my attorney involved. 

Thank you for your reply. Not sure what needs to be followed step by step though, and I work too hard to give my $ to lawyers... If I have to pay to find the step by step, I’d rather ride the seat of my pants like usual.