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All Forum Posts by: John Hutchison

John Hutchison has started 2 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: 1890's duplex rehab - Troy, NY - looking for some advice

John HutchisonPosted
  • Engineer
  • RENSSELAER, NY
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 5

Hey all, an update on a positive note ... I tracked down an experienced investor in Troy who agreed to consult for me on this project, and I now have some competent contractors in place doing work. I believe I have a path to completion with around 100k left to spend, and a few long weekends of my own labor. I also have several comps within a block for between $235k and $267k, so I'm feeling a little better about my refi. At this point, I'm glad I stuck with it, and hope that we can power through this year!

Post: 1890's duplex rehab - Troy, NY - looking for some advice

John HutchisonPosted
  • Engineer
  • RENSSELAER, NY
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 5

Thanks for the advice Ryan ... that's a very good point that I've been pondering as well. Even if I can invest the remainder on justification of the rental income vs. operating costs, it will need to be mostly with funding that can be sustained long-term, because the re-fi I'm sure will be dismal. To be sure of that, I should probably cough up the cost of an appraisal to help me in the decision-making process.

BRRRR probably works best when your property has the same "stats" as others in the area that are finished to a higher degree (and that owner occupants are paying top dollar for).

Post: 1890's duplex rehab - Troy, NY - looking for some advice

John HutchisonPosted
  • Engineer
  • RENSSELAER, NY
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 5

Thanks Jaysen - the floorplan change I'm basically committed to at this point, because there is nothing left remaining of the old plan. I may take your advice and see where I can cut costs in the short term and still leave myself the option of upgrading in the future.

Post: 1890's duplex rehab - Troy, NY - looking for some advice

John HutchisonPosted
  • Engineer
  • RENSSELAER, NY
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 5

Okay so I'll try to keep this concise. I'm looking for advice, and if anyone local is interested in perhaps taking over the project, having lunch/coffee, or recommending any good property managers/GCs, I'm all ears!

I purchased this 2-story brick rowhouse, 1890's vintage, from the bank in November 2018. It's right on the edge of an improving downtown, but still in a transitional area. 1 block north there are (very large) million dollar historic homes, but 1 block south is a C-ish area. There are properties undergoing mid-high end renovations right across the street, opposite corner, etc. Plan was to make high-end rental units with some exposed brick, in-unit washer/dryer, off-street parking, tile shower, solid countertops, etc.

Mistake 1: I had a local architect make building plans involving a floorplan change for a new bath/kitchen/master bedroom with walk-in closet arrangement in the rear of the units. However, I didn't ask the architect for an estimated cost of the renovations. Perhaps I didn't want to hear that I couldn't afford to do this project.

Mistake 2: I probably overpaid a bit for the property out of the gate considering it's condition (vacant for 4 years, copper boiler pipes cut out, kitchens and baths complete disaster, etc). But it's an improving area that I am pretty stoked about, and I decided I would "bet on the appreciation" just a little bit here.

Mistake 3: I estimated the repair costs myself, not taking into account the cost of working on a property this old, in NY state, in an area that has a lot going on and not a huge shortage of work right now.

So my estimate was purchase price of $85k, renovations $60k (ya, I know), and hopefully an appraised value around $175k for a successful BRRRR deal. Now I'm realizing to actually do the renovation I had envisioned, it's probably more along the lines of 2x-3x that ($120k-$180k), so with purchase price, and all other costs, I'd probably be all in at around $100k over appraised value. Ouch. I've already eaten up 2/3 of my original renovation budget on just a new roof, cleanout of the basement, demo, and framing.

The way I see it, I've got 3 paths forward:

1. Sell (probably at a loss) - lesson learned, move on. Regret if/when area turns around.

2. Find more funding and plow all the money in to complete the intended rehab. HODL (hold on for dear life) until area turns around, telling myself that in the long run, even going way overbudget will eventually not be felt once the property. My estimates based on comparable units within the same block are that I could get $1250/unit, making the property able to sustain about $200k total debt and still break even.

3. Reduce the scope, remove some luxury items, go with cheap HVAC option (space heaters and/or electric baseboard), section 8 even, just to get it rented. Downside with this is dealing with the tenants it will draw, and then if/when the area turns around, I might have missed the market's desires.

I'm thinking that I should get an appraisal subject to my repairs so I at least know what I can expect to get back when I refinance. I'm trying to get in touch with local property managers, to confirm my rent estimates and see what the location can support in terms of luxury features.

Any advice is much appreciated.

John

Post: Monthly Albany, NY REI Event

John HutchisonPosted
  • Engineer
  • RENSSELAER, NY
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 5

Hey, I might try to make it out! How long has this been going on? I wasn't aware of any BP Albany meetup.

Post: Locks for entryway in multifamily

John HutchisonPosted
  • Engineer
  • RENSSELAER, NY
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 5

I'm looking at a similar situation with a two-family in Troy, NY ... double doorway in front which enters into a hallway/stairway leading to the first and second floor units. It seems like an "auto-lock" is the way to go on the front door with a keypad, to prevent accidental lockouts. Then keyed doors to the individual apartments inside with normal deadbolts for security. The only issue is trying to somewhat match the original brass mortise knobs that are 100? years old ... interested to hear still how other people are handling this!

This episode was straight fire! Thanks so much for all the actionable info Paul!

Post: Troy, NY is the new Brooklyn!

John HutchisonPosted
  • Engineer
  • RENSSELAER, NY
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 5

I'm just up the hill from Rensselaer and I've been thinking about it as well. Seems logical as it's just a stop or two up from Hudson on the Amtrak from the city. Crime rates are low and prices as well. Convenient to (and sometimes good views of) downtown Albany. Would like to hear from anyone else who is investing in downtown Rensselaer!

My girlfriend and I are doing this now ... similar to what Greg Parker said, sleeping on the first floor next to the kitchen while finishing the second floor. Showered at the gym until I finished tiling/grouting/caulking. HUD property with Homestyle loan for funding (I had a GC do the major work on the first floor). Sleeping right next to the kitchen isn't so bad, and showering at the gym increases the likelihood of you getting your butt there to work out. Can't wait to listen to the episode for some extra motivation and ideas!

Love MMM ... this should be great. Thanks guys!