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All Forum Posts by: John Carbone

John Carbone has started 38 posts and replied 1079 times.

Post: Sevier County STR State and local taxes

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @Ken Boone:
Quote from @John Carbone:

I know Airbnb is hated by many, but does anyone use them in the smokies?


We strongly do not prefer AirBnb as well, but we do use it in the Smokys.  It is location dependent.  The cabins closer to PF are 90/10 vrbo to airbnb, but we have one cabin out in Wears Valley, that when we got it was 95% airbnb.  It took a long time for that to get traction on VRBO.  Have no idea why.  The people we bought it from said they were primary airbnb with very little vrbo.  We had many phone calls with VRBO to try and figure out why this was.  It just didn't make sense to us.  Anyway, that cabin is about 70/30 airbnb now.  

For us this is how AirBnb works in that region.  It fills in the gaps and also provides those last minute bookings.  BUT it also provides us with the worst guests as well.  Whenever we have a bad guests and go back and look, 99% of the time it was an airbnb booking.

Both airbnb and VRBO collect and remit the taxes, prior to that it was a pain ;)

Thanks Ken, I’m in a similar situation as you in terms of where the bookings are coming from. So you don’t do any personal filing with any entities for tax purposes on lodging related taxes? Someone I know suggested avalara for this, but maybe this is outdated advice, since air and vrbo seems to be taking the full amount out (including county lodging tax) - and air seems to be taking a little more out. 

Post: Question on Short Term Rental Loophole

John CarbonePosted
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Hi duke, I'm in a similar situation as you. It's a personal decision, I chose not to go this route because there is no court case yet that shows precedent on this with a favorable outcome. All the examples i see are situations where this loop hole could not be utilized. A few accountants I spoke to didn't want the liability of filing due to this. There are some though that believe strongly in it and they have no problem doing it. I personally think the loop hole is valid if done right, but dont want to somehow be the lab rat in an IRS challenged case on this. It's likely a small chance that this would happen, but I like going into things that are known with strong precedent to support. The way I see it, STR are profitable enough that the tax benefits in year 1 for me aren't worth it for me. It's a very good loophole though, just use an accountant that is filing like this for others, I believe Brandon hall is the one who pioneered this and would be your best bet to go to with your situation.

Post: Sevier County STR State and local taxes

John CarbonePosted
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Quote from @John Underwood:
Quote from @John Carbone:

I know Airbnb is hated by many, but does anyone use them in the smokies?


 We use it but are not getting that many books with them on our cabin.

Do you use mylodgetax (avalara) or do you just let Airbnb and vrbo handle all the taxes?  Or do you send any additional money to state or counties other than what air and vrbo remit?

Post: Sevier County STR State and local taxes

John CarbonePosted
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Post: Sevier County STR State and local taxes

John CarbonePosted
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I know Airbnb is hated by many, but does anyone use them in the smokies?

Post: Cash on Cash return for STR

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Quote from @John Carbone:

I think you want to be at 20 percent or more. Anything 10 and under just buy dividend stocks. 

Also, if you run your numbers on 20 percent COC it gives you some margin for error. Obviously purchase price matters, but your biggest variable is handicapping your occupancy and your ADR for your STR in a post-covid world. 

Post: Cash on Cash return for STR

John CarbonePosted
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I think you want to be at 20 percent or more. Anything 10 and under just buy dividend stocks. 

Post: Short term rentals that are not in vacation destinations

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Quote from @Carolyn Fuller:
Quote from @John Carbone:
I stayed at one of these on a cross country drive once near the major interstate. I wanted a safe place to have my Uhaul (didn’t want it in a hotel parking lot). 
Besides a safe parking spot, wasn't it better than your average hotel experience? Actually, I must be honest that I've rarely experienced hotels that match my Airbnb experiences. There are some but not many. (I'm obviously not a huge hotel fan and never have been...)
Yes, the airbnbs are much better experiences as well. I have a ton of reward points from hotel chains over the years and free night certificates that I use, but if I’m not staying for “free” at a hotel, I’m doing an Airbnb…with the exception when I need a extra safe place to park overnight. 

Post: Short term rentals that are not in vacation destinations

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Quote from @Carolyn Fuller:

One non-destination location type of Airbnb that I have booked that I suspect are reasonably successful are guest suites, ADUs, etc in homes off of highways or between / near destinations. I suspect that these listings help with the mortgages of the primary residences.

BTW, every single one of these Airbnbs have been really fabulous experiences, much nicer than the nearby hotels would have been.

I stayed at one of these on a cross country drive once near the major interstate. I wanted a safe place to have my Uhaul (didn’t want it in a hotel parking lot). 

Post: Short term rentals that are not in vacation destinations

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Quote from @Anthony Phillips:

I was wondering if any members on here have had success in markets that don't fit the destination/vacation type areas. For example I am located about 40 mins from Nashville Tennessee are people renting that far from a destination?  I am also about 3 1/2 hours from the smoky mountains are people using a short term rental as they drive to there next destination. I do see a few air bnb rentals in my areas and it looks like they are at about a 50% rented per month. With that being the case they wouldn't cash flow much more then my long term rentals in the area.

Another idea we have been thinking about is having a tiny house on our property. The only problem we have with that is we are on septic so we wouldn't be able to add it to the plumbing system. Are there pre made tiny houses set up on trailers that have plumbing systems systems similar to a camping trailer that i could take to the dump after a renter is done with there stay. I could purchase a plot of land and put it on that but think that cost of doing septic/water/and power would be pretty high for the returns we could get off the rental.

If occupancy is that low, then I probably wouldn’t bother. It’s also summer, so it is probably even worse in the winter (unless you tracked this over the past year.)