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All Forum Posts by: Joel Florek

Joel Florek has started 35 posts and replied 521 times.

Post: Do you invest in multiple markets?

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Soh Tanaka I have to agree with the advice that if you focus on one market you will master it. But my frustration is that if you are looking for a specific type of property at certain valuations it can be tough to find what you want and therefore deal flow can be a challenge. 

I am also in the camp of buy and hold for the long term. With that said I worry about long-term issues of particular markets. Things may be good now but what if GM happens to shut down the plant they owned for 50+ years in the town(aka recent events)? 

With that said my longterm goal is to scale up my business and own rentals in 3 different markets. This way if any particular market has an issue my portfolio can still sustain itself from a microeconomic shock. Again, this is longterm thinking though. Currently, I am invested in two separate markets that happen to be about 450 miles apart. 

Post: Case Study 11 unit Midwest property. Is this a good deal? advice?

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741
Originally posted by @Alex Bekeza:

If you don't mind sharing. Where are you getting the 80% LTV at 5.25% on a small balance commercial deal like this? Local Bank?

Alex, Do you ask because you think this is good or bad terms? All my 3 properties with small balance commercial loans have had 80% LTV 20yr Am, rates from 4.5% to 5.25%, and 3yr or 5yr balloons. All local banks and financing done in the last year or 2. They have both also allowed me to have subordinated debt via a seller 2nd position note.

Post: 8 unit under contract! Due Diligence advice?

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741
Originally posted by @David Monroe:

Some of the comment above are really good, especially on hiring Experts to look at the mechanicals, electrical and roof.

Here's what I do for every property I invest or broker:

  • Hire the experts for the mechanicals, electrical, roof and foundation.
  • get 3 years of P&L, since this is a small property the owner probably doesn't have a P&L, ask for his schedule C tax returns, the bank is going to want to see them anyway.
  • Current rent roll. If things copacetic, that should be enough, otherwise ask for the last 12 months of rent rolls. Again, small property owner may not have a rent roll...
  • ...In which case create one yourself from the leases, and last 12 months of rent receipts. Make sure you look at the move-in date, lease expiration, and tenant deposits. Create a balance of rent owed from the rental receipts.
  • DO NOT INTERVIEW THE TENANTS! If you want to piss of the owner, go ahead. This works in your benefit as well. If the tenants think the property is for sale, they will move out for fear of rising rents. The numbers will tell the story on who's naughty and who's nice.
  • Interview the fire inspector and chief building inspector to ensure the property has no outstanding violations. If possible get a meeting with planning commission to find out what the master plan is for the immediate area.
  • Get a survey, phase I and possibly II environmental, and if the lender requires a third party condition assessment, for God's sake DO NOT hire a local property inspector, no cares if the linoleum in the kitchen of unit C2 is pealing in the corner. Hire a firm that will do property condition assessment, PCA, and the phase I and II environmental inspection. They will only walk 10% of the units. so you will need to walk the rest with your team of professionals.
  • Walk EVERY unit. For occupied units, apologize and thank the tenant for allowing to inspect their apartment, be very kind and DO NOT dig under sinks or open closets. Be respectful for their time. You will get an idea of the condition from the vacant units.
  • Get a copy of any insurance loss reports from the last 3 years. This will be required by your insurer and give you an idea if there was a fire, flood, wind damage, etc.
  • Find the rent and sold comps for the property and WALK THEM! Act as if you're looking for an apartment. See what the condition of the units are in compared to the subject and see if you have room for updates and rent increases based on the comps.
  • Get your personal financial statement together for all the managing members of the LLC, and all the financials and tax returns from the property, to include your proforma and summary of operations, because the lender is going to require them for their underwriting.
  • Look at the local demographics and make sure the tenants in the market can afford any rent bumps you have planned. This can be done by pulling a per capita income report for the immediate area. As a property manager you want the tenant to have at least 3 times the monthly income of your proposed rent. Per capita income will tell you the average annual income for the trade area per employee. This is an advanced strategy not many people use, and it has bit them when they couldn't get their rent bumps they projected.
  • Pull a flood plain report and make sure the property isn't in a flood zone. It's OK if it is but you will need an elevation certification before you can get it insured.
  • Look at all the vendor contracts, especially laundry. You want to look for areas you can save money and any contracts that may be hard to get out of. You will hear that it's impossible to get out of a laundry contract. It's not true. The owner of the property, or LLC, is the holder of the contract, not the property. When you take title, unless you assume the owners LLC, the contact is no longer valid for the property. Disclaimer - Consult with an attorney in your state to verify this statement.
  • If you aren't going to manage the property start interviewing management companies. The lender is going to want to know who is going to operate the property.
  • If you're going to rehab the property, start getting contractors in and getting quoted on the repairs so you can properly budget for the rehab and be  more accurate on your proforma, especially if you have investors.
  • If you're seeking private investors, and it's more than just a couple of friend or colleagues, you need to hire a SEC attorney to draw up the disclosures, PPM and operating agreement for the property.
  • Stet up and register your LLC. You will need to have it done before closing so you can take title in the name of the LLC, if that's the route your going. If your taking title in your name, disregard.

OK, that's enough for now. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

 Lots of good advice. One thing I will disagree with is I would recommend always checking in the cabinet of every sink and peak in every closet. Under sinks are where you learn if the valves are damaged or not. They may be leaking water actively or show signs of significant corrosion. Water damage leads to mold and can lead to very extensive repairs. Most common place is under the kitchen sink. I like to note every sink that has issues and go back and replace these valves if they are inoperable or show signs of damage. 

Closets may have some wonky stuff depending on the property. Over the years they may have had washers and dryers in closets which may have utilities still inside of them. You want to know these things. I also like to see if there are vents or other things running through closets. My recent 8 unit purchase has a vent pipe running through the hallway closet. I inspected every one to ensure that the pipe was not corroded or showing signs that exhaust gases could be leaking back into the unit. I have also seen in a closets where there are flooring issues, often from old washer dryers or weird things done in the past. It takes a quick second to open the door, ensure there are no signs of water damage in the ceiling from a leaky roof, and know that everything is as it should be. 

If the tenant is present just let them know you have to do a quick inspection and that one of your primary concerns is to review the utilities and plumbing systems in the units. I generally always try to ask if there are any issues in the units and typically get the tenant to mention a few things. Often a unit inspection takes no more than 2 to 5 minutes unless I find something off and then we need to spend a bit of extra time reviewing it. If the furnace and AC are working we dont need to test run those systems, just do a visual check that they are clean and see if there are signs of potential future failure.

Post: 8 unit under contract! Due Diligence advice?

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741
Originally posted by @John Warren:

@Scott Hensley I recently purchased a value add 19 unit in Berwyn, and one of the things I wish I had done in retrospect is to have some of the trades come through during the inspection. I ended up having to re-wire all of the units, and I would have known this from the beginning if I had paid my electrician his hourly rate to walk the property. In the future, I plan to bring a plumber, electrician, hvac tech and roofer through each of the properties I buy during due diligence. The traditional home inspector is fine for smaller deals, but they are really just generalists and you will end up needing the trades to come through to really get solid estimates. 

 This is great advice from John. If there are particular systems you dont know well, hiring the right person to come take a look is super helpful. Really take the advice of the specific trades. Home inspectors are trained to catch general things but most typically dont get too far into the weeds. An HVAC tech will see if your heat exchangers are cracked, is the big expensive boiler system in good shape, or do you have bigger problems on your hands. Understand the risks of the property and get the right people in to look at them and give you their best advice. If you have drainage issues dont be afraid to call in a specialist. Since they are only looking at a specific issue you can likely get them for $80 to $250 and get some great advice. 

I toured a 12 unit property where the numbers looked good, I liked the location and layout, but I found out that the whole thing was constructed with 2x4's. Even the floor joists were just 2x4's on 12' spans.... The untrained eye wouldn't know that that was the case and the property could have turned into a financial disaster. 

Post: If you could start over...

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Kyle H. I would have worked to scale up faster and looked to establish myself with financing partners. Building a property management company around my business would have also allowed me to build up a team to help support the day to day work. But I have also learned so much on the path that I have taken thus far and fear that if I had done things differently I wouldnt have gotten the educational lessons that I have. 

Post: Bank asking what i'm doing with the funds?

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Mike F. Always be honest with your bankers. They will be your best partners unless they no longer have trust in you. Let them know your goals and what you plan to focus your investment capital on. 

Post: I am seriously LOST!

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Christopher Lane biggest thing I can suggest is to get some close friends in your area who are doing well in real estate and get them bragging about their success in front of your wife. Eventually, she will warm up to the idea that you two could live a better life like friend X and friend Y. 

I was fortunate to already be invested into real estate before meeting my wife. She got to see what it looked like to have a strong portfolio of investments. Her friends and co-workers at the schools would struggle financially while we are able to live a comfortable life without stresses on how we will fund college or retirement for our children. Now her friends look to us and want to get involved in real estate because they see our successes. 

Post: Best way to get into Multifamily investing?

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Christopher Lane Not going to dive into all the assumptions but the one, in particular, I want to hit is the financing. Know that you can get higher LTVs if you shop around. My 16 unit and 8 unit were purchased with 1.5% and 6% down respectively. Both were 80% LTV with the bank, seller held a 2nd position note for 16.5% and 10% and we had some prorations with the way closing was structured to close the gap a bit more. Both properties have been fantastic for me and are strong cash flowing assets. Not all banks will work with you on deals with subordinated debt but 2 out of 10 likely will if the numbers and debt coverage ratios are sufficient to support the asset and debt load.

Post: Cardone Capital Investing

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
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@Reid Mathews Have to agree with @Marjeanne Fields that Grant can get the cool factor going pretty strong. Love having his daily dose of hustle. 

With that said there are tons of groups that you can invest with. I would recommend listing to the Syndication Show with Whitney Sewell, and other guys like Michael Blank, Jake and Gino and a long list of other great podcasts. They all have opportunities and long lists of guests that have opportunities. Take some time to network and learn about what they have to offer. 

Post: How do I make money on a deal with investors involved.

Joel FlorekPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Michigan City, IN
  • Posts 530
  • Votes 741

@Davere Currie I always recommend people look to house hack a small multifamily to get started. This is a great way to purchase with a low down FHA loan and get some experience that people want to see. I would never invest my money with someone completely green. Always want to see at least a bit of experience. If you hit it out of the park with your own deal you may be able to do a few more without any investors and then get OPM involved to scale up to bigger stuff.