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All Forum Posts by: Jimmy Lieu

Jimmy Lieu has started 87 posts and replied 1772 times.

Post: Am I understanding the BRRR method correctly?

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @Ryan Murdock:

@Jimmy Lieu That's how it works my friend! With that $50k you pull out you can either take it in cash as part of the cash out refi, or, something I've done on occasion is just keep a line of credit (LOC) for that amount in addition to the mortgage.

In your example it would be a fixed rate mortgage for $137,500 and an LOC for $50k. That way you can draw on the $50k when you need it but you're not paying interest on it when you don't. You might be able to find either a fixed rate mortgage or LOC that will go as high as 80% LTV too instead of just 75%.

lets go!!! thanks so much! feels amazing to finally understand the BRRR method :D

Post: Am I understanding the BRRR method correctly?

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,832
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Post: Am I understanding the BRRR method correctly?

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
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I am primarily confused with how to get my money out to repeat the process.

Let's say I use HML and put 20% down on a 100k property so I get an 80k loan from the HML. The rehab cost is 50k borrowed from HML. The closing/holding cost is $7.5k. The ARV is 250k.

With the 250k ARV, I can take 75% out in a refinance ($187,500). With the refinance, I will need to subtract out the initial 80k loan, 50k rehab cost, holding/costing costs, and the HML interest.

187.5k - 80k - 50k - 7.5k - (HML interest) = $50k

The 50k is remaining is the cash I can pull out from the refinance process and use for my next property. With the current 250K ARV property, I have 25% equity in it and I am gradually paying off the mortgage by renting it out correct?

Is everything I have stated here correct?

Thanks so much in advance.

Post: Refinance or sell property?

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,832
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Hi Jonathan,

Still a bit new to real estate but what is it about refinancing that would be difficult? With those two properties, you are bringing in monthly cash flow so why would you sell?

Or is it because you believe properties are so hot right now that you want to sell at the peak of the market?

Thanks so much!

Post: My first offer letter - deal analysis

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
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Hi,

I am new to offer letters but I was wondering why you put your requirement of needing at least an 8% return on any personal cash you've invested. Because you only have a financing contingency, what is the purpose of stating the numbers and your ROI?

Just a bit confused! Thanks.

Post: 3 Questions about BRRRR

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
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Originally posted by @Christopher Phillips:

@Jack Norris

The point of BRRRR is to lower your risks by purchasing at a bigger discount due to the distressed nature of the property. In general...

1. That means you won't be able to use a conventional loan. Will have to be cash, hard-money loan, or private loan.

2. Cash-out is usually 65% to 75% of after repair value (ARV). So, you're leaving equity in the property, which means no downpayment. But there will be closing costs.

3. You generally aren't looking to be free-and-clear. That means your money is tied up in the asset instead of using it for more purchases or repairs to existing properties.

To do the proper analysis, you have to consider the ARV cash flow once the property is repaired and rented out to make sure it will have positive cash flow after rents, mortgage, and reserves.

Hi Christopher,

I am relatively new to the BRRRR process too. Are you able to explain why you cannot use conventional financing with the BRRRR method?

If you did 20% down on a 100K property and then did a 10K rehab and then property is now appraised for $150k. Let's say the holding/closing costs is 10K total.

The entire cost is 20K + 10K + 10K = 40K

Can't I do a cash out refi from the ARV 150K? Let's say I can pull out 70% which would be 105K. 105K - 80K in loans = 25K. Does that mean I can pull out 25K with my refinance?

I understand I still have the 40K I still did not take out so technically, I am still having 15K of equity in the property after the refi.

But my question is that if I did a refinance with my example above, would I be able to pull out 25K if I wanted to?


Sorry, I am still trying to understand this process as well.

Post: How do I know if a repair would increase rental value?

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,832
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Originally posted by @Bridgette Delva:

Hi @Jimmy Lieu!  Since you use the term "fix" that leads me to believe that something is broken or wrong so I would absolutely "fix" anything that's broken.  Cosmetic items are hard to quantify BUT they can absolutely turn off potential renters.

I would say that I agree, to a certain extent, that you could look at other properties and then determine if you should fix the issues but our personal investment style is that we want our properties in tip top shape so we can get tip top rent so we attend to the small and large items.

For example, we are getting $3200 for our single family rental in a market where comps are, at best, $2300.  That is because we have several "wow" factors and there are no opened ended cosmetic "fixes".  The way we think about renters is that they will pay what they can afford and will pay for the house that they "want"; this is very different than buyers, who generally can only buy what the bank will lend them and that's limited by what the market says the house is worth.

So, my point is that if those cosmetic "fixes" will deter potential renters or prevent you from getting the most optimized rent, just fix it.  Besides, if renters see that you don't care enough about your property to fix the small things, they'll treat the same way as you do.

I'm also curious as to what type of "fixes" you are referencing.

Hi Bridgetta,

Wow, what a great answer. Thank you so much for helping answer my question and that definitely clarified things a lot for me. I guess I had the words repair and cosmetic fixes mixed up. I meant to only write about cosmetic issues only. Yes, I would 100% repair anything that is broken and make sure everything is functioning as it should be. My question definitely only was pertaining to cosmetic issues.

You answered my questions really well! Some examples could be like the interior painting doesn't look to amazing or kitchen cabinets seem a bit outdated. As stated in your answer, you would fix these cosmetic issues then to get top rent?

However, where do you draw the line? How would you know whether to go for the $75 chandelier or the $500 chandelier?

Also, I don't want to overimprove the property as I've heard that's not the best thing to do.

Thanks so much.

Post: What should I use? Umbrella insurance or LLC?

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,832
  • Votes 1,469

Hi,

I recently just learned about umbrella insurance. I was wondering, if I am about to start my house hacking journey, should I have an umbrella insurance or LLC or both? Or should I not have anything at all?

I want to sign up for an LLC but some people have said lenders don't really like giving loans out to LLCs? So I am really conflicted on what to do.

Post: How do I know if a repair would increase rental value?

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
  • Posts 1,832
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How do I know if fixing a cosmetic issue or doing a specific rehab would increase the rental value of a property?

For example, after I close a property, I will be fixing everything on the inspection list. However, inspectors don't report on cosmetic issues. Because of this, I will be bringing in contractors to find the cosmetic issues and write itemized bids for how much it would take to fix.

My question is how would I know if fixing a cosmetic issue would increase the rental value of a property? Some people I've talked to have said that they will only do a repair if it will increase cosmetic issue or reduce turnover. My question is how would you know that?

Or is it one of those things that you need to look at other rentals in the area and see what type of finishes they have and match them?

Post: Help! How to Refi Fix & Flip?

Jimmy Lieu
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  • Real Estate Agent
  • Columbus, OH
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This is a great question, I want to know more about this as well.