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All Forum Posts by: Jerry Shen

Jerry Shen has started 6 posts and replied 113 times.

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

Points taken, the price movement is probably not as big of an issue as liquidating before I need to (at closing). I've bought 2 commercial properties so far and it took about a year from getting the liquidity to closing. In hindsight I wish I could have parked my capital somewhere besides cash in the interim, and I'd like to avoid making the same mistake twice.

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Brian Garrett:

I agree that a sale of $1M is not enough to move the BTC market.

I also suggest that you cash it out and then buy properties once you're liquid.

True, but it could move the price on a single exchange.

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Brad Carrier:
Why can't you cash out your bitcoins and get the money into a bank account. You won't have any trouble from there.

 Because from the time I liquidate to when I actually close on a property the value of that bitcoin could have gone up significantly. 

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:
Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:
Originally posted by @Daria B.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:

I've got some bitcoins that I would like to use to purchase real estate. Are there any institutions that will accept bitcoin as downpayment for a loan? 

 Admittedly I’m not up on the new craz...what is bitcoin?

It's a decentralized digital currency. Basically a way to transact and store value without any middlemen (banks, governments, etc). It's been on a tear this year (my initial investment grew 2000% in 8 months) so I'm looking to cash some of it out into RE but I would rather pay in bitcoin directly than cash out to dollars because cashing out large amounts of bitcoin can move the markets (if I sold $1M of bitcoin I would get a lot less because the entire market would see my sell order and it would drive the price down) than if I just used it directly in a transaction.

Good luck explaining that to a seller and the Title Company. I completely understand, but most people are clueless as to what you are saying..  There are still people out there who only deal with cash, and are queasy about using credit or debit card to make purchases. 

Why not liquidate your investment in small chunks, and wait for market to adjust rather than in one lump sump of $1MM.  May require some patience, but trust me, this stuff is not easy for some people to follow... 

My issue with that is I would have to liquidate before I would like to. A lot of deals fall through in due diligence and if I have to liquidate early I could lose out on significant gains. For example, even if I liquidated by bitcoin just a month ago, it would have lost 50% of its value.

I understand this is not easy, but this is the creative financing forum so trying to think creatively here =)

I'm afraid you are assuming that Bitcoins is not going to crash tomorrow, right? lol..  

 Correct, I'm bullish on bitcoin long term.

@Ian Tvardovskaya makes sense so buy based on cap rate? What do most cashflow investors target in terms of cap rate?

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Chinmay J.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:
Originally posted by @Daria B.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:

I've got some bitcoins that I would like to use to purchase real estate. Are there any institutions that will accept bitcoin as downpayment for a loan? 

 Admittedly I’m not up on the new craz...what is bitcoin?

It's a decentralized digital currency. Basically a way to transact and store value without any middlemen (banks, governments, etc). It's been on a tear this year (my initial investment grew 2000% in 8 months) so I'm looking to cash some of it out into RE but I would rather pay in bitcoin directly than cash out to dollars because cashing out large amounts of bitcoin can move the markets (if I sold $1M of bitcoin I would get a lot less because the entire market would see my sell order and it would drive the price down) than if I just used it directly in a transaction.

Good luck explaining that to a seller and the Title Company. I completely understand, but most people are clueless as to what you are saying..  There are still people out there who only deal with cash, and are queasy about using credit or debit card to make purchases. 

Why not liquidate your investment in small chunks, and wait for market to adjust rather than in one lump sump of $1MM.  May require some patience, but trust me, this stuff is not easy for some people to follow... 

My issue with that is I would have to liquidate before I would like to. A lot of deals fall through in due diligence and if I have to liquidate early I could lose out on significant gains. For example, even if I liquidated by bitcoin just a month ago, it would have lost 50% of its value.

I understand this is not easy, but this is the creative financing forum so trying to think creatively here =)

Post: Denver Market Softening/Retreat

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

I work with some large property management companies on the front range and I asked them about this recently. They all say most of the smart money is staying on the sidelines waiting for a correction. One large PM company in Denver hired a VP of acquisitions and he hasn't bought anything in 2 years. These companies serve some of the largest individual investors in the front range so I'm inclined to agree. I bought a property in the Springs this year and I'd love to own in Denver but I'm personally waiting for a correction. A lot of signs are pointing that way including flattening rents and increasing vacancies.

I've heard of 1% rule for buying rental properties (1% of purchase price in monthly rental income). Does that apply all the way up to large multifamily as well?

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99
Originally posted by @Daria B.:
Originally posted by @Jerry Shen:

I've got some bitcoins that I would like to use to purchase real estate. Are there any institutions that will accept bitcoin as downpayment for a loan? 

 Admittedly I’m not up on the new craz...what is bitcoin?

It's a decentralized digital currency. Basically a way to transact and store value without any middlemen (banks, governments, etc). It's been on a tear this year (my initial investment grew 2000% in 8 months) so I'm looking to cash some of it out into RE but I would rather pay in bitcoin directly than cash out to dollars because cashing out large amounts of bitcoin can move the markets (if I sold $1M of bitcoin I would get a lot less because the entire market would see my sell order and it would drive the price down) than if I just used it directly in a transaction.

Post: Buying RE with Bitcoin

Jerry ShenPosted
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 114
  • Votes 99

I've got some bitcoins that I would like to use to purchase real estate. Are there any institutions that will accept bitcoin as downpayment for a loan?