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All Forum Posts by: Jerell Edmonds

Jerell Edmonds has started 21 posts and replied 115 times.

Post: Spilt utlities or add another meter ??

Jerell EdmondsPosted
  • Investor
  • Warwick, RI
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 63
Quote from @John Teachout:

Another consideration which applies only to electric is access to the load center. If it's in a shared space like a basement that's one thing but if it's in an occupied unit, that is something that may not be allowed in your jurisdiction. Unit 3 trips a breaker and wants to reset it but the breaker box is in unit 1 and they're on vacation...


Yeah that's one issue that the box  is in unit 2. I must say for my first investment I was a little too excited and I didn't think of some certain things . 

Post: Spilt utlities or add another meter ??

Jerell EdmondsPosted
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  • Warwick, RI
  • Posts 116
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Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

HOW TO SHARE UTILITIES 101

You have a property with two or more units and the utility meters are shared. There are a few options.

1. Pay to separately meter the utility. This can be very expensive and is usually the worst choice because you can't justify the cost.

2. Charge the tenants a higher rent rate and include utilities with their rent. This is the simplest method, but it also means your tenants are more likely to abuse the utilities by leaving windows open with the heat or A/C running, leaving lights on, ignoring the toilet that constantly flushes on its own, etc.

3. Pay the bill yourself, then reimburse yourself by charging the tenants based on a formula. This takes a little more work, but it's the fairest and reduces the likelihood of tenants that squander utilities.

If you choose #2 or #3, there are considerations:

Start with an average. Use varies throughout the year. Heating costs go up in winter, as does electricity due to the reduced natural light and more people indoors. Electricity can also spike in the summer with A/C. Contact the utility provider and get a historical average based on the last year of use. It won't be 100% accurate, but it will be close enough. I recommend you do this annually to adjust for utility increases and other variables. If your average heating bill is $150, you may not collect enough in the winter months when the bill reaches $225 but you'll collect extra in the summer when it drops to $65. If you base your tenant charges on the historical average, you should come very close to collecting the entire amount over a one-year period.

Charge a higher rate. If the water bill is $100 a month, increase the price by 20% (or whatever you decide is fair) to compensate you for the time required to split and bill and to cover additional use when tenants squander the utility. If the bill is $100 a month split between four units, increase it to $120 and charge each tenant $30.

How to calculate charges. Don't make it more complicated than it has to be. If you have four 2-bed/1-bath units with the same appliances, split it four ways and call it a day. You can make minor adjustments based on the type of appliances (dishwasher, clothes washer and dryer, air conditioning, etc.) and the size of the rental. If Apartment A is a 2-bed/1-bath with a washer/dryer and Apartment B is a 1-bed/1-bath with no washer/dryer, Apartment A should pay a higher rate. Another option is to split the cost based on the number of occupants in each unit but this also means you'll need to adjust the charges as tenants move in/out, so it requires more work and I wouldn't recommend it. I recommend a simple spreadsheet to check your math and it will make it simple to adjust each year.

End the complaints. Tenants may complain about your method of calculating how much each unit pays. They think it's unfair because they only shower once a week but can hear the upstairs neighbor showering twice daily. You can end this by showing them an actual utility bill. Why? Because a large percentage of the charges are base fees that do not change based on use!

I just looked at a utility bill with a total charge of $184.12 but $116.50 is from base fees! If I divide this bill by four units, each tenant would pay $46.03. If they were separately metered, each tenant would pay the $116.50 base fees and their individual use, which would be 3x higher than what they pay when sharing a meter.

There are many options, but don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Tenants save money when using a shared meter, so there's plenty of room for error when calculating how to distribute the charges.


 Awesome thank you for taking your time replying will def be looking into all of this !

Post: Spilt utlities or add another meter ??

Jerell EdmondsPosted
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  • Warwick, RI
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Thank you so much I will look into both options !

Post: Spilt utlities or add another meter ??

Jerell EdmondsPosted
  • Investor
  • Warwick, RI
  • Posts 116
  • Votes 63

Thank you ! I will look into it.

Post: Spilt utlities or add another meter ??

Jerell EdmondsPosted
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  • Warwick, RI
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My apologies it would be for electric & gas i pay water and sewage 

Post: House Hacking in expensive markets - MA and RI

Jerell EdmondsPosted
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  • Warwick, RI
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Currently in my first house hack . It's an awesome way to jump into RE yes its scary at first but as long as you have a criteria going in it eases some of the emotions during the process my biggest thing was lower my cost or keeping it the same. Right now I'm over $100 than I wanted but that's fine because once I rent it out fully I know I can cash flow about $500 or more. Make sure to check in with some lenders because they can find you grants to help with closing cost. 

Post: Spilt utlities or add another meter ??

Jerell EdmondsPosted
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  • Warwick, RI
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You're right I was just curious on what others do. I've also saw on youtube that some landlords use submeter to spilt the cost between tenants 

Post: Spilt utlities or add another meter ??

Jerell EdmondsPosted
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  • Warwick, RI
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Hey BP fam. I got a question I'm sure people run into this problem with separate utilities . I have two meters in a three family home how could I separate that besides having another meter installed is there something else less costly ? Or should I just have them install another meter for the third floor to avoid any potential issues going forward. 

Post: MF Investing 2nd property

Jerell EdmondsPosted
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  • Warwick, RI
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Quote from @Wale Lawal:

@Jerell Edmonds

FHA loans offer a way to maximize cash flow by financing up to a 4-unit property with a lower down payment. These loans are geared towards those with lower credit scores, allowing them to live rent-free and cover mortgage, insurance, taxes, and maintenance costs. Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance, Repeat method to pull equity from their first property and use it as a down payment on the next. Building up cash flow from your first property can also be beneficial.

Good luck!


 I hope I can find a 4unit they're tough to come by in my area and if they do pop up they need a significant amount of work . Right now I wouldn't mind to scale with duplex . Its a slow grind since I don't have partners so building each brick at a time is what I'm willing to do . 

Post: MF Investing 2nd property

Jerell EdmondsPosted
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  • Warwick, RI
  • Posts 116
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Quote from @Trevor Finn:

@Jerell Edmonds,
Great plan with house hacking for a 4-plex! If you co-sign, the loan will consider both your incomes but also both credit scores, so her credit could impact the terms or buying power. With your 750 score, you should still get favorable FHA terms, but talk to lenders about how her score might affect the overall approval. FHA also allows some flexibility with grants and assistance programs, which could help with closing costs or down payment. Starting rent-free is a smart move—it'll maximize cash flow but high purchase price and a low down payment make it challenging. Lov the thought process and that'll make you a very good investor!


 I recently just added her to my credit so she can get a little boost in her score to help more with the process and yes with the low down payment I don't expect to live rent free but one can dream for now all I care about is owning the property cashflow will come later. Thank you for your kind words I appreciate that.