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All Forum Posts by: Jennifer Streamer

Jennifer Streamer has started 9 posts and replied 76 times.

Post: DETROIT and MICHIGAN (#1 Defender answers questions)

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Richard Dunlop:

Thanks for the question this thread was becoming a one man rant but I had hoped to answer a lot of questions that are floating around about Detroit.

You have a beautiful city and it has done extremely well for investors over the past 4 years.

I do think the investments in Downtown Detroit are extremely beneficial for all of Metro Detroit in the long run.But I was wondering if the nice communities close in would benefit more or benefit first.

As Dan Gilbert puts more of his 75 or so downtown high-rises on the rental market and attracts more and more businesses back from the suburbs, the benefit to the nice communities will be incredible.

Will thriving nice communities in Detroit slow the flight to the suburbs? Yes it already has somewhat and it will continue slowing. I do think Detroit values will increase far faster than the suburbs for the next 5 years.

If you’re driving Mack to get to the Grosse Pointes, If you’re driving Gratiot to get to St Clair Shores, or Van Dyke to get to North Warren, Grand River to get to Farmington or Fort St to get to Wyandotte, You have to drive through a LOT of garbage. Does that garbage insulate the suburbs from the progress in Detroit?

That said I do believe your community being on the Woodword Ave corridor can bridge the garbage faster than the other communities.

Give me feedback on my rational. And what are you going to do with Highland Park?

I think there are several things at play.  I find that the average person will choose to live in a city with solid school districts and low crime.  As the most desirable cities have rising prices, people move to the next most desirable city.  So for example, if housing is too costly in Birmingham, people choose Royal Oak, then Clawson, then Madison Heights, for example.  Eventually, Madison Heights prices get too high, and people start to choose Hazel Park.  That trend is visible over the years.   That's focusing on the trends in the suburbs.  I don't think the next step is Detroit, because the desirable areas in Detroit are more expensive than the weaker suburbs.   

So now we have a new trend - solidly middle class people leaving the suburbs to move to Detroit because it's the cool thing to do or because it's close to work or because they can get a better house.  

The lower cost areas, including the better areas of Detroit, will appreciate much faster than Royal Oak, for example.  There was a good article in Crain's about appreciation in the area:  

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20150615/NEWS...

Wayne county is appreciating the fastest and Oakland County is appreciating the slowest.  

But to focus on your question, I think anything that improves Detroit improves the greater Metro area because there are more jobs and more activities available.  So it will drive appreciation in the suburbs.  The band of garbage that you have to drive through to get to the fun parts of Detroit doesn't make a sizable difference because you can use expressways to hop right past it.  I lived downriver and went to Wayne State and now live in Royal Oak and frequently go to the city.  I zip past the bad neighborhoods so quickly that they don't bother me.

Post: DETROIT and MICHIGAN (#1 Defender answers questions)

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Richard Dunlop:
Originally posted by @Scott K.:
Originally posted by @Richard Dunlop:

@Scott K said:

Scott this one I don't get at all. There are people on this web site that post articles when a company invests $10 million in Detroit.

You don't think it's relevant to the discussion that Dan Gilbert has invested $1,700 million in the past 4 years???????

Or that the Ilitch Family (Little Ceasars Pizza ) and Penske Family have also slightly less recently invested????

Is that not good for Detroit?

No not really.  What does that do for the person that invest in the east side.  What Gilbert is doing has had no effect on the worse parts of the city.  That is what these out of state investors are being told.  How does all that money help a property at Davison/Lawton area?  How does that help Joy/greenfield.  How does that help John R/Nevada area.  All that money has done nothing to help any of the neighborhoods I just mentioned...

Dan Gilbert’s investment in Detroit has probably benefited me personally by more than $200,000 in appreciation on the properties I own. It probably has hurt some of the suburbs, so I understand why you are so bitter.

Is it good for Detroit as a whole? Absolutely! Did it fix a burned out house in a bad neighborhood? No I wasn’t expecting it to.

It has done more for Detroit than I could have ever imagined!

 @Richard Dunlop I've been reading your posts with interest.  It sounds like you're having a lot of success in the city.  That's great.  Right now, we're focusing our investments out in the 'burbs.  We like being able to walk from our house to pick up the rent!  But, I love hearing success stories from inside the city, because I figure that anything that improves Detroit will improve appreciation in the surrounding cities.  I'm curious about your comment that the investment in Detroit might have HURT the surrounding suburbs.  Can you share your thoughts about that?  

Post: Contractor in Michigan area

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Originally posted by @Pete Tam:

Hey Guys,

I am going to do closing in Michigan for duplex property. I need to do some wear and tear type of work and also want to install few new things such as Microwave with hood and wooden floor polish. Also I want to upgrade kitchen in 1 unit to get good rent. 

Do you guys know any good contractor who can do these type of work in reasonable rate.

 Just curious - where in Royal Oak is the duplex?  

Post: Contractor in Michigan area

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36

We have used several general contractors who work in Royal Oak.  My favorite has been Jesse Kolly.  In my experience, he's able to start projects within a reasonable timeline, has fair prices, and does solid work.    Here is his contact info:

http://www.jandlcontractingllc.com/uploads/1/2/3/9/12395786/271922_orig.jpg

J and L Contracting
P.O. Box 725222Berkley, MI 48072
248-632-0091
[email protected]
"Our work sells itself"

See it for yourself at our face book link or our web page
Web: http://www.jandlcontractingllc.com/
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/JandLContracting.mi

Post: Hello from Michigan

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36
Welcome! You'll find lots of people from Michigan, here. We're just closed on a rental property in Royal Oak. Where are you planning to invest?
Originally posted by @Ben Leybovich:

 Sewege back-up rider costs about $100/year. If I decide to hold this think any longer, I am absolutely getting this policy. Have experienced small issue before, but never anything like this, so didn't buy it before. Oops!

Better yet - don't buy basements :)

It would make life alot easier NOT to have a basement.  That's for sure :-)  

Our back up flood policy was only $53.  It must vary by state or region.  You mentioned eliminating the floor drains.  Couldn't that cause other problems if you couldn't get water out?  If the basement flooded because of burst plumbing, for example, then the water wouldn't drain away in a few minutes.  Instead, your basement could be knee deep in water until you learned about the flooding AND got to the house with a pump.

Someone recommended drain "extenders" (not sure if that's the official name).  It's basically just capping the drains with a pipe that sticks up a foot.  If water rises from the city storm system, the water will have to rise that extra 12 inches to get into your basement. 

Originally posted by @Bob H.:

@Ben Leybovich, consider this possibility, which occurred at my sister's house in the St. Louis area: Water backed up into the basement from a floor drain connected to the sanitary sewer system, not the storm drain system. Heavy rain should not overwhelm the sanitary sewer system; rain is not even supposed to be in that system. Nevertheless, flooding can occur when an old system is not maintained well by the utility. Old sanitary sewers develop cracks that accept rainwater when the ground is saturated, and of course the sanitary sewers are not designed for the large volume that a storm produces.

You may have a claim against the sewer utility for damage caused by water coming out of your floor drain. The claim could include the cost of dealing with contamination caused by sanitary sewage coming into contact with walls and floors in the basement. The utility may even offer you a cleaning service.

 In our city, when there was massive flooding from the sewer system, a lawyer came in to represent the impacted families.  This probably varies, by city or state, but in the end the residents would have to demonstrate that the flooding was due to negligence by the city, as opposed to an act of nature that could not be prepared for or predicted in advance.  Even if we could have sued the city, I wasn't on board.  It was just kicking the can down the road in terms of my expenses.  If my city of 60k had to pay off a lawsuit to the tune of millions of dollars, chances are my taxes would go up and my property values would drop.

If we were one of only a few houses that were impacted, it would be a different story.

Originally posted by @Ben Leybovich:

 Sewege back-up rider costs about $100/year. If I decide to hold this think any longer, I am absolutely getting this policy. Have experienced small issue before, but never anything like this, so didn't buy it before. Oops!

Better yet - don't buy basements :)

It would make life alot easier NOT to have a basement.  That's for sure :-)  

Our back up flood policy was only $53.  It must vary by state or region.  You mentioned eliminating the floor drains.  Couldn't that cause other problems if you couldn't get water out?  If the basement flooded because of burst plumbing, for example, then the water wouldn't drain away in a few minutes.  Instead, your basement could be knee deep in water until you learned about the flooding AND got to the house with a pump.

Someone recommended drain "extenders" (not sure if that's the official name).  It's basically just capping the drains with a pipe that sticks up a foot.  If water rises from the city storm system, the water will have to rise that extra 12 inches to get into your basement. 

I'm sorry that happened!  It's a mess to deal with.  I'm located north of Metro Detroit.  Last August, thousands of homes in several cities were flooded.  We're nowhere near the great lakes - or even the small lakes.  It was a "100 year" rain that the various cities drainage systems couldn't keep up with.  Within 15 minutes, basements were filling with water.  In some cases, the water was high enough that it was pouring out the basement windows.  

I live in a neighborhood with homes that range from $200,000 - 500,000.  The area that was hit hardest has many homes worth $500,000+.  The basements in many homes have tens of thousands of dollars in finishes.  Home theaters, work out spaces, etc.  Of course, even if you were using the basement primarily for storage it was a disaster.  I was seven months pregnant and all of our baby gear was destroyed among so many other things :-(  We had about 10k in damages, overall. 

The cities in this region are old and so are the sewage lines.  They couldn't handle the amount of water.  But it doesn't matter what the age of the home is.  A few years back, an old elementary school was torn down two blocks from my house.  All new construction was put in on the property- beautiful homes in the 500K range.  They flooded just like the homes built in the 20's and 30's - and the cost to repair damage was much higher.  So you can't avoid this type of problem by buying a new home or an expensive home.  

Because this is not a flood zone, very few people had insurance.  Here's a tip for anyone reading this thread.  It turns out that there is a very specific rider called the Sewage Backup rider that is the only type of insurance that protects against this type of flooding.  It costs around $50 per year, for us.  We have it now!  However, we can only get the rider on our primary residence.  We closed on a property a mile away yesterday and are very sorry we can't get the rider.  My husbands grandmother has lived here for 70 years - this has never happened before.  So I recommend the rider even if it seems impossible that you'll flood.

Here's another important tip - CLEAN UP THOROUGHLY!  We very evidently had raw sewage that had back flowed into the house.  Everything it touched was trash.  First, remove everything from the basement and throw it away.  We did our own tear down.  We lined the path out of the house with dropcloths and wore protective gear.  The quote for someone else to do the removal was $5K.  Scavengers (people) were picking this disgusting garbage, so we used spray paint on the trash to prevent someone from buying brand new sewage infested baby swings off ebay.  It was bizarre - the whole street was lined with mountains of trash.  Garbage pickup was running 7 days a week.

Next, every surface needs to be cleaned with soap and water and then bleach.  We used a professional cleaning crew ($2K).  There was some debate among neighbors about the need for a crew, but at least some people who did not, now have mold problems.  

Air scrubbers need to run in the house - the big industrial ones.  You also need industrial fans.  Again, some people skipped this step and are now seeing mold or foundation damage.

Don't run the HVAC (if you still have one) until all of these steps are completed or you may have mold spores in your duct work and throughout the house.  Before turning your heat or air on, have your ducts professionally cleaned.

We have looked at a couple of houses this spring that were DIY cleaning jobs and there are random patches of mold throughout the house.  They skipped cleaning the ducts. 

One more tip - check to see if FEMA can help out. FEMA came through this region and we had money in our bank account within hours of our appointment. Only $1200 - but every bit helps.

We're early in our real estate investing careers, so I don't have a lot of expertise.  But I know water back up damage inside and out.  I hope this info helps someone out!

Post: New from SE Michigan

Jennifer StreamerPosted
  • Investor
  • Royal Oak, MI
  • Posts 78
  • Votes 36

Come to the site.  There are lots of opportunities in Southeast Michigan. We are  about to close on a house in Royal Oak. We intend to rent it out.  I'm glad that you are having good luck with renting out your condo. Where are they located?