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All Forum Posts by: Jason Timmerman

Jason Timmerman has started 16 posts and replied 80 times.

Post: Acquisitions Manager in the Charlotte, NC area?

Jason TimmermanPosted
  • Howell, NJ
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 56

Hello,

Our wholesaling group is looking for "feet on the ground" in Charlotte, NC.  Basically, we need someone to handle appointments with potential sellers to assess the value of their properties and close the deal.  The potential person needs to be good at making sales calls and will be compensated a per diem for each appointment as well as a large commission for each closed deal.  Does anyone on here know where I can find someone.  This is a great opportunity to get into the real estate industry as it will come at no cost

Post: How flippers can ruin a wholesale market and deal

Jason TimmermanPosted
  • Howell, NJ
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 56

First off, I'm amazed that this post generated so many responses.  I was just venting.  I'm way over that deal by now.  Our group has closed two since then so you've got to just move on. 

Second, people seem to ask what wholesalers do? The answer is quite simple. Real estate wholesalers do exactly what wholesalers do in every other industry in the world. They provide a large quantity of goods at very low prices. If you are a flipper and aren't working with a good wholesaler you are not making as much money as you should be. Simple as that. This is a side job for almost all wholesalers. Very few do it with an eye of getting into flipping or furthering their real estate careers and the ones that go that route take a big risk. Good wholesalers/flipper teams are visionaries. A wholesaler will go into war zones that are entirely undesirable because they envision potential. They will team with a good group of flippers to turn over a neighborhood. The gentrification process starts with visionary wholesaling. A wholesaler sees potential, teams with a group of flippers and a financier and go into the ghetto, buys 12 properties at a time and turns the whole damn neighborhood around. But a wholesaler also has to get his hands dirty. This includes what some of you will consider ethically questionable behavior. For example, in the deal that started this post everyone is accusing us of taking advantage of an elderly widower. Some facts may have been lost in the translation. First, he called us. Second, he said he wanted $95,000 for his house. Third, his daughter had POA and signed on the deal if we could close in 7 days because she wanted to move him into her house immediately.

Also, I've had acquisitions guys who are the ones who actually go into the ghettos and have been threatened, gotten stuff thrown at them and one was even mugged.  So the wholesalers do the dirty work.  But it is a necessary step in real estate as it is with every other business.  Any idiot can go to nice areas, find a derelict house, fix it up, and turn a small profit.  How many small time flippers that are doing two to three deals at a time are willing to go into dangerous neighborhoods and fix up a house without ever knowing if the area will actually improve.  Wholesalers take that risk all the time. 

Third, this is a side job and real estate is all about money.  My actual day job exists so that I can do good things for good people.  If you are in real estate to make everyone happy, you're in the wrong business.  That's why you shouldn't do it full time.  The supplemental income I earn from this allows me to work my low salaried day job because there I get to do actual important things that better my community.  Speaking of my day job, I am a licensed attorney working in public employment while overseeing two non-profits.  I didn't want my career to be about money or I would have gone into the private sector.  I needed extra income so a group of friends and I launched a virtual wholesaling business.  It's maybe 5 hours of work a week and provides enough income that I don't have to think about the private sector of law, which is just as much a money hungry business as real estate.

Finally, wholesalers work for flippers.  We do not work for the seller.  If we cannot find a seller willing to sell at a discount for the benefit of a very fast close and hassle-free, commission-free, closing-cost free, and moving-cost free selling experience, we move on.  We spend about $10,000 a month in marketing in 8 different markets throughout the country.  When a market changes, as obviously the market that started this post has changed, due to seller education and overabundance of competition, it's time to find a new market.  I was pissed because that market was so good for a full year.  The selling prices were consistently between $80-110.  Flippers all wanted the properties, the ARVs were very high compared to the selling price.  So now more and more startup flippers and wholesalers have flooded it and the market is more or less dead.  The marketing campaigns, direct mail, IP targeting, direct phone calls, will all stop in that area and we'll look for another area to develop.  Move on and advance while continuing to grow.  That's the goal.

I am a full time attorney for the State of New Jersey.  I also umpire USABL and high school baseball and softball. 

Post: What is your COLLEGE DEGREE IN!?

Jason TimmermanPosted
  • Howell, NJ
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 56

BA  Journalism

MA Political Science

JD

Post: How flippers can ruin a wholesale market and deal

Jason TimmermanPosted
  • Howell, NJ
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 56

I just had a real frustrating incident occur.  First of all, I think some flippers do not understand the purpose of wholesaling or wholesalers.  I have run into a bunch of flippers in New Jersey, North Carolina and elsewhere who don't really understand the merits of wholesaling and think they can cut out the middlemen.  You can't.  Or you shouldn't be trying at the very least.  Let the wholesalers find the motivated sellers and everyone in the industry is happy. 

I just had a perfect case of a flipper sabotaging a deal and potentially ruining a market. I had a wholesale deal, elderly homeowner, wife passed away, very motivated to sell. I reached him through my direct mailing marketing efforts. ARV was $240k, house needed about $20k worth of work. I convinced the owner to sell for $90k. Jackpot right? Well in my area some flippers are trying to direct mail the market as well thinking they can cut out the wholesalers and get a steal on the property. I was going to have the property at $90k, assign it to a flipper for about $110-115k, they would sell it for $240k, and everyone would make a ton of money on the deal.

Instead, the seller gets another mailing after I already sent him an electronic contract to docusign, so on the verge of getting the deal.  He calls the number on the mailer and off the bat, the flipper offers him $125k without even asking if there were any other offers.  They could have gone through me and gotten the deal for $10-15k less than their initial offer.  Homeowner calls me back telling him he got a higher offer.  I got pissed and initiated a bidding war with no intention of buying just to raise the price on the a-hole messing into my turf.  The flipper eventually bought the place for $149k and is now on a razor thin margin. 

So think about it, $90k for a property, assigns for $110k, sells for $240k.  I get $20k, the end buyer makes at least $60k, the seller gets the $90k that he was initially happy with, THAT's the wholesale process. 

Instead, I get nothing, the flipper will make around $15k and the homeowner gets $149k, nearly $60K MORE than he was willing to sell for a week earlier. Also, the market impact is tremendous. These homes have been going for a song. Now, agents are gonna be all over it and the pre-sale values are going to skyrocket and there's a risk that homeowners in the area are going to get savvy to the trends. It can potentially ruin the market. So flippers, stay on the MLS, work with wholesalers and stay away from direct to owner marketing you are going to ruin this perfect little industry we have created for one another.

Post: Wholesale Process

Jason TimmermanPosted
  • Howell, NJ
  • Posts 87
  • Votes 56

Every state is different with regard to contract requirements.  Best bet is to either find someone who wholesales in NJ and buy the contract format from them (or get someone to give you the contracts for free or for a portion of your first deal), OR have a real estate attorney draft them for you. 

The key to being a successful landlord in NJ is to thoroughly and properly vet potential tenants.  Interview at least 5 or 6 potential tenants.  Look into their tax histories, personal histories, facebook pages, everything.  If you make sure you get responsible tenants then there is nothing to worry about

As for FHA loans and wholesalers. Yes, it's fine. You are not actually buying the property from the wholesaler. The wholesaler has already negotiated a contract with the seller and is assigning you that contract plus an assignment fee, usually around $15,000.

@Tatiana Duarte All Sheriff Sale auctions require public notice in the newspaper.  Usually you can find the info for the dates of auctions on the county sheriff website as well.  If it's not listed onthe website you can do an OPRA request for the info

@Chris Toedter, there are multiple wholesalers in and around northern NJ that likely have some inventory to sell. Best way to contact wholesalers is by attending local meetup groups and other REI events in your area. Or, alternatively, you can just put a post on bigger pockets saying that you are seeking wholesalers in northern NJ. You will get a lot of responses. If wholesalers have properties, they are always looking for buyers to unload them to.