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Post: Which form of financial backing is right for me?

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Originally posted by Jake Andersen:
Thank you very much for that! Very thorough, just what I needed. Are hard money lenders and equity partners usually local or can I find people from out of state who are interested?

There are hard money lenders everywhere. If you have an RE Club near you, start there. If not, perhaps you know some doctors, lawyers, or other professionals who have money to spare and would be interested in lending it to you for a relatively good return (10% or so)?

As for equity partners, these are usually friends or family members who want to invest, but don't have the time or expertise to do so themselves, and would rather just give you the cash to do it, and split the profits.

Post: Which form of financial backing is right for me?

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Here's a financing primer I put on my blog yesterday...it includes most of the major types of financing an investor might look for, other than seller-financing (which is very important, but a completely separate post altogether):


Investor Financing Options

Now that I’ve spent many dozens of hours talking to lenders and potential financiers of my deals, I’m starting to gain some insight into the different types of loans and equity financing available to real estate investors, and the benefits and drawbacks of each. Of course, given today’s credit situation, options are not only more limited than they were a couple years ago, but the definition of a “good deal†from a lender has changed as well. When I first started looking at financing for single family houses, I passed on a couple potential options that in hindsight were pretty good; if I had realized how bad the lending landscape was, I might have jumped on some of those sooner.

Anyway, the point of this post is to discuss some of the various types of financing I’ve seen. I’m not a financing expert, so don’t take my word for anything you read below; I’m just relaying my experiences to date. I’ll be sure to add updates to this post in the future.

So let’s get to it:

Traditional Financing

This type of loan is generally done through a mortgage broker or bank, and the lender may be a large banking institution or a quasi-government institution (Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, etc). The requirements to qualify for a loan are based strictly on the borrower’s current financial situation — credit score, income, assets, and debt. If you don’t have good credit, reasonable income, and a low debt-to-income ratio (i.e., you earn a lot compared to your monthly obligations), you likely won’t qualify for traditional financing.

Benefits: The benefits of traditional financing are low-interest rates (generally), low loan costs (or points), and long loan durations (generally at least 30 years). If you can qualify for traditional financing, it’s a great choice.

Drawbacks: There are a few drawbacks to traditional financing for investors, some major:

* The biggest drawback to tradition financing is what I stated above — it’s difficult to qualify these days. Just a year or two ago, you could have qualified under a “sub-prime†variation of traditional lending, where income and credit were less of an issue; but given the sub-prime meltdown (many of these borrowers defaulting on their loans), these sub-prime options have gone away. So, unless you have good credit, income, and small debt, you’re better off not even bothering with trying to get traditional financing these days.
* Traditional lenders generally require that at least 20% be put down as a down payment. While this isn’t always true, investor loans with less than 20% down can be tough to find via traditional lending these days.
* As an investor, it can be difficult to deal with traditional lenders who don’t necessarily understand your business. For example, a house I closed on last week with traditional financing almost fell-through because the lender wouldn’t provide the funds until the hot water heater in the investment property was working. As an investor, it’s common that I’ll buy houses with broken hot water heaters (among other things), and I can’t generally expect the seller to fix this for me, especially when my seller’s are usually banks. In this case, I had to fix the hot water heater before I even owned the house, which is not something I want to do on a regular basis.
* Traditional lenders take their time when it comes to appraisals and pushing loans through their process. It’s best to allow for at least 21 days between contract acceptance and close. As an investor, you often want to incent the seller to accept your offer by offering to close quickly; with traditional lending, that can often be impossible.
* If the lender will be financing through Freddie Mac or Fannie Mae (and most will), there will be a limit to the number of loans you can have at one time. Currently, that limit is either 4 or 10 loans (depending on whether it’s Freddie or Fannie), so if you plan to be an active investor going after more than 5 or 10 properties simultaneously, you’ll run into this problem with traditional lending at some point.
* There are no traditional loans that will cover the cost of rehab in the loan. If you plan to buy a $100K property and spend $30K in rehab costs, that $30K will have to come out of your pocket; the lender won’t put that money into the loan.

Portfolio/Investor Lending

Some smaller banks will lend their own money (as opposed to getting the money from Freddie, Fannie, or some other large institution). These banks generally have the ability to make their own lending criteria, and don’t necessarily have to go just on the borrower’s financial situation. For example, a couple of the portfolio lenders I’ve spoken with will use a combination of the borrower’s financial situation and the actual investment being pursued.

Because some portfolio lenders (also called “investment lendersâ€) have the expertise to actually evaluate investment deals, if they are confident that the investment is solid, they will be a bit less concerned about the borrower defaulting on the loan, because they have already verified that the property value will cover the balance of the loan. That said, portfolio lenders aren’t in the business of investing in real estate, so they aren’t hoping for the borrower to default; given that, they do care that the borrower has at least decent credit, good income and/or cash reserves. While I haven’t been able to qualify for traditional financing on my own due to my lack of income, portfolio lenders tend to be very excited about working with me because of my good credit and cash reserves.

Benefits: As mentioned, the major benefit of portfolio lending is that (sometimes) the financial requirements on the borrower can be relaxed a bit, allowing borrowers with less than stellar credit or low income to qualify for loans. Here are some other benefits:

* Some portfolio lenders will offer “rehab loans†that will roll the rehab costs into the loan, essentially allowing the investor to cover the entire cost of the rehab through the loan (with a down-payment based on the full amount).
* Portfolio loans often require less than 20% down payment, and 90% LTV is not uncommon.
* Portfolio lenders will verify that the investment the borrower wants to make is a sound one. This provides an extra layer of checks and balances to the investor about whether the deal they are pursuing is a good one. For new investors, this can be a very good thing!
* Portfolio lenders are often used to dealing with investors, and can many times close loans in 7-10 days, especially with investors who they are familiar with and trust.

Drawbacks: Of course, there are drawbacks to portfolio loans as well:

* Some portfolio loans are short-term — even as low as 6-12 months. If you get short-term financing, you need to either be confident that you can turn around and sell the property in that amount of time, or you need to be confident that you can refinance to get out of the loan prior to its expiration.
* Portfolio loans generally have higher interest rates and “points†(loan costs) associated with them. It’s not uncommon for portfolio loans to run from 9-14% interest and 2-5% of the total loan in up-front fees (2-5 points).
* Portfolio lenders may seriously scrutinize your deals, and if you are trying to make a deal where the value is obvious to you but not your lender, you may find yourself in a situation where they won’t give you the money.
* Because portfolio lenders often care about the deal as much as the borrower, they often want to see that the borrower has real estate experience. If you go to a lender with no experience, you might find yourself paying higher rates, more points, or having to provide additional personal guarantees. That said, once you prove yourself to the lender by selling a couple houses and repaying a couple loans, things will get a lot easier.

Hard Money

Hard money is so-called because the loan is provided more against the hard asset (in this case Real Estate) than it is against the borrower. Hard money lenders are often wealthy business people (either investors themselves, or professionals such as doctors and lawyers who are looking for a good return on their saved cash).

Hard money lenders often don’t care about the financial situation of the borrower, as long as they are confident that the loan is being used to finance a great deal. If the deal is great — and the borrower has the experience to execute — hard money lenders will often lend to those with poor credit, no income, and even high debt. That said, the worse the financial situation of the borrower, the better the deal needs to be.

Benefits: The obvious benefit of hard money is that even if you have a very poor financial situation, you may be able to a loan. Again, the loan is more against the deal than it is against the deal-maker. And, hard money lenders can often make quick lending decisions, providing turn-around times of just a couple days on loans when necessary. Also, hard money lenders — because they are lending their own money — have the option to finance up to 100% of the deal, if they think it makes sense.

Drawbacks: As you can imagine, hard money isn’t always the magic bullet for investors with bad finances. Because hard money is often a last resort for borrowers who can’t qualify for other types of loans, hard money lenders will often impose very high costs on their loans. Interest rates upwards of 15% are not uncommon, and the upfront fees can often total 7-10% of the entire loan amount (7-10 points). This makes hard money very expensive, and unless the deal is fantastic, hard money can easily eat much of your profit before the deal is even made.

Equity Investments

Equity Investment is just a fancy name for “partner.†An equity investor will lend you money in return for some fixed percentage of the investment and profit. A common scenario is that an equity investor will front all the money for a deal, but do none of the work. The borrower will do 100% of the work, and then at the end, the lender and the borrower will split the profit 50/50. Sometimes the equity investor will be involved in the actual deal, and oftentimes the split isn’t 50/50, but the gist of the equity investment is the same — a partner injects money to get a portion of the profits.

Benefits: The biggest benefit to an equity partner is that there are no “requirements†that the borrower needs to fulfill to get the loan. If the partner chooses to invest and take (generally) equal or greater risk than the borrower, they can do so. Oftentimes, the equity investor is a friend or family member, and the deal is more a partnership in the eyes of both parties, as opposed to a lender/borrower relationship.

Drawbacks: There are two drawbacks to equity partnership:

* Equity partners are generally entitled to a piece of the profits, maybe even 50% or more. While the investor doesn’t generally need to pay anything upfront (or even any interest on the money), they will have to fork over a large percentage of the profits to the partner. This can mean even smaller profit than if the investor went with hard money or some other type of high-interest loan.
* Equity partners may want to play an active role in the investment. While this can be a good thing if the partner is experienced and has the same vision as the investor, when that’s not the case, this can be a recipe for disaster.

Post: Business Plan

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Folks,

Thanks for the kind words and feedback...glad you find the site useful!

J Scott

Post: Goals

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That really depends...

If you're willing to offer $10K over list price on each property, my guess is that you'll only need to make 4 offers to get 4 properties. If you're planning to offer 50% of list price, you'll probably never get 4 properties under contract this year.

Also, what type of sellers are you targeting? MLS? FSBO? Bank-owned foreclosures? Do you do any marketing? Are you paying cash? What price range are you targeting? Do you have a lot of contingencies in your contracts?

All these things (and plenty more) contribute to the likelihood of getting properties when you make an offer.

For reference, I've made 5 offers in the past month, and have gotten 3 houses under contract. So, that's 60% success rate. But, I focus on a specific niche (REOs), have a set discount that I'll generally offer, and have few contingencies in my offers. I know others who average about 20% success rate, and I'm sure there are some who average nearly 100%.

Post: Finding a GC

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I'm starting to buy REO properties that I plan to rehab and sell/rent, but want to systematize this effort as much as possible. This means doing as little of the actual rehab work as I possibly can, so I can focus on marketing, sales, and other parts of the business.

With that in mind, I'm trying to find some good General Contractors who can manage a large part of each project themselves, can pull permits, bring in subs, etc. The problem is, it seems like all the GCs I'm speaking with fall into one of two buckets: they are either not licensed/insured and work "under the table" or they focus on high-end remodeling and renovation and charge ridiculous mark-up.

Does anyone have any suggestions for finding those guys that fit right into the investor sweet-spot: the ones who are licensed/insured and don't need to be babysat, but do a good bit of the work themselves and focus on rehab-quality work at reasonable prices?

Actually, it's not so much finding them (I have a list of 100 GCs that want to work on my projects), it's knowing which questions I should be asking to figure out if I've found this kind of contractor without having to walk them through my properties and get bids from each of them?

Thanks for any info!

Post: Earnest Money Deposits and contingiencies/clauses

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Absolutely agree with Mike on this one. I always put down large deposits on REOs, and while I still have the 7-day inspection period clause (I don't yet trust my judgement without an inspection), I think the large deposit has helped me get properties that I otherwise wouldn't have.

Post: Real REO success & failure stories

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Originally posted by "atl2008rei":
It took him 2 days to get the listing agent to call back, who said it had been sold and closed A WEEK BEFORE MY AGENT HAD EVEN TAKEN ME INSIDE. So, I was looking at a potential purchase that had already been sold.

I'm buying REO property in ATL as well, and what you may have seen was a property that had been put under contract, but with a due diligence period. Generally, the bank won't take the property off the market (or give any indication that the property is gone) under after the DD period has ended, which could be 7-10 days later...

Post: Banks That Allow Assignment of Contract?

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I'm finding most banks won't allow assignment of contracts these days, and while you can do a double close to get around this, if the other party (the ultimate buyer) is using any type of traditional financing, most banks won't finance through a double close because of the possible chain-of-title issues.

So, be careful trying to find a buyer if you're able to get the bank to allow you to assign...

Post: REO Start to Finish

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My experience (I've purchased or made offers on a dozen REOs in the past month or two)...

- I'm seeing banks go about 15% below list price on many of these (for example, I've gotten a couple listed at $69,900 for $59,500), and then there are those where I will offer 15% less than list, get turned down, and then two weeks later, the bank drops the price 25%. Makes no sense, but I'm okay with it. In fact, I offered $56K on a property listed at $62K, didn't get it (the bank said they had a better offer), and now I see it listed at $44,900 two weeks later. I'll be putting another offer on it.

- I'm working with two local banks that will do an 85% LTV cash-out refi, up to $100,000 with 6 month seasoning. I'm also using them or paying cash for the original purchase, so that might help. Plus I have strong credit and large reserves.

- To find REO deals, find the REO agents. If you can get in good with them, they can bring you deals before they even hit the MLS. That's a wonderful, wonderful thing...

Post: Question regarding home condition.

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I've seen mold in some of the REOs that I've put offers on. While not fun to deal with, mold cleanup really isn't too tough of an issue, as long as it's not too extensive.

The best recommendation I have is to ensure that you have an inspection contingency in your offer, so you can back out if things are worse than you thought...