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All Forum Posts by: Account Closed

Account Closed has started 4 posts and replied 74 times.

Post: Air DnA Reliability for Analyzing STR markets

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71

You're opening a can of worms here, Victoria! You can search the forums for "Airdna" and get most of the threads. I love AirDNA and have given a lot of training on it, others don't see the value or think it's "wrong". If you know how it works, if you understand what it's showing you, if you understand percentiles, and if you understand how to apply that to your own investing, yes. There's nothing better. Here's step one from AirDNA's site: https://www.airdna.co/airdna-d...

Or you (or anyone reading) can DM me and I can help with understanding this. :)

Post: STR course Recommendations

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71
Quote from @Kash Jawed:
Quote from @Account Closed:

Check out https://BNBInnerCircle.com and click Get Started. Or I've got a link to our free FB group in my profile. Or you can DM me! (Disclaimer, probably obvious, but I'm on this team.)

I’m not familiar with STR but Is this course specific to Canada or US as well?

Mostly, but STR works worldwide.

Post: Short-Term Rental in Mountain Town

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71

These are exactly the kinds of areas we suggest looking at first. 

1. You can buy more for your money usually, which means really high ADR comparatively because groups split it

2. More amenities can be added to still increase ADR

3. You're protected from any other pandemics that decide to happen - during COVID everyone left the cities for these areas outside of town

4. People who already live in the nearby cities use those areas as staycations

5. Land

And more I'm sure!

Edit: 6. Being further from neighbors means less angry phone calls/reports/etc

Post: Second Home/Vacation Property Loan (10% down) an option?

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71

I've heard of lenders doing 10% down but requiring you stay in it x days a year, sure. If you can do that, why not?

Another option is an actual commercial loan. It's 20% down but it doesn't go off DTI but income of the property (yes, even SFH for STR). And you can do with it what you want.

Post: Can you still get a good COC return with STR prices so high

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71
Quote from @Dan Thomas:

@Jacob Murphy

Based on my experience new investors should stay away from airdna and like products. 5k is big money for someone just starting their business and from my experience the data is flat out wrong. I know it will be much more accurate in other markets but for example my str rents with an occupancy of 87% and an adr of $180. Airdna projected occupancy at 57% and adr $102. Not the kind of product I reccomend people use to make business decisions. ESPECIALLY for $5k. If you want a successful business put in the work don't overpay for bad data.

Agreed - do not buy a $5,000 spreadsheet if you do not believe in the power of data or know how to use it. However, a single area can be purchased for $20-100 for one month. That's what most people need and should do. It allows you to dig in and get proper information on your own area, which ultimately is what investors need. The spreadsheet (and global access) are for people who are in the hunting phase and are about to drop a lot of money. I'd argue putting in the work involves understanding numbers, statistical significance, and what different investment formulas are doing.

My question to you would be how are you letting AirDNA project your revenue? Usually when I hear that it's because they're not understanding how AirDNA does what it does. Not saying that's you, but if you have an area and only dig surface level, or don't understand what the percentiles are doing, yeah, for sure it's going to be "wrong". There are often hundreds if not thousands of properties in an area, and a zillion variables to all of this. They are guideposts based on profit potential for any given property, letting you set up proper guideposts and, in your case, hopefully exceed them. But if you set up yours based on 2 bedrooms that fit 4 where the host has a set-it-and-forget it policy, and you've got a 3 bedroom that fits 8 and a hot tub and you're doing pricing optimization, for sure it's gonna be "wrong".

Post: Can you still get a good COC return with STR prices so high

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71
Quote from @Sheeva R.:

 What is the best way to analyze calendars on Airbnb? Any basic suggestions?

I'd agree not everyone needs the $5,000 sheet or $10k subscription. Think about it: if you're the type who's about to spend $5M, or even $500k, on a property, what's $5-10k if it means you find a place with a way better ROI and you don't make the mistake of wasting six months of your life manually digging through that stuff? You would get that back in the first year and then some. But you gotta know how to use it. It's also good for hedge funds and and for people like us to consider with lots of students. You can get by with one month to the area you want to invest in. Here's a step-by-step using data (Youtube).

You don't want to analyze calendars on Airbnb itself. It's incomplete and you'll be way off if you take a low season mid-week rate from one or two listings and multiply it out, and likewise with a high season weekend date. I've also got a link in my profile for a group and the training I made last week was an intro to AirDNA if you're new to that. (btw I don't get paid to talk about AirDNA, it's just the one we like to use.)

Post: Can you still get a good COC return with STR prices so high

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71
Quote from @Sheeva R.:

How does one find the new upcoming areas?


 Depending how serious you are, you can talk to Tom at AirDNA. They offer a "Best Places to Invest" spreadsheet for around 5k. It is like a meta analysis of most profitable (revenue vs median home price of the area), up and coming mid sized markets in either North America or Europe.

Or you can get it as part of the global unlocked Market Minder annual subscription for about $10-12k/yr. (Not sure what the current price is exactly, it's gone up a bit I was told.)

Or do what Bruce said. Find a place you like, do some research, do some math, and go.

Post: Can you still get a good COC return with STR prices so high

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71

Yes, and yes.

edit to add, cause that's not helpful: you're on the right track with those kinds of areas. America is HUGE. Find places *like* those but not those. Get a property that's a large, regular single family home that needs some renovations. 20%+ CoC is possible.

Post: Criteria to pick a good area

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71

1. Consider your balance between wanting to own there because you like it and would visit, and wanting it as a 100% investment. 

2. Consider smaller natural areas around lakes or state parks. 

3. Look into STR regulations, call local P&Z of an area you like.

4. Buy the AirDNA for that area for a month and dig in!

Post: Beach Condo STR criteria

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  • Real Estate Consultant
  • Franklin, IN
  • Posts 80
  • Votes 71
Quote from @Jacob Shadix:

How important is ocean view to you if the water is still within walking distance?


Some will tell you "Beachfront is everything!!!" for higher revenue and others tell you that being even across the street could mean cheaper, less taxes, and (if the water is the ocean) less salt damage.

The real answer is you have to do the analysis and see what works best.