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All Forum Posts by: Jacob Hornberger

Jacob Hornberger has started 2 posts and replied 65 times.

Post: Looking to refinance

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

Replacing the roof won't really add any value to the property. But, that shouldn't keep you from doing the proper maintenance on it. Before assuming the whole thing needs replaced, I would get a trustworthy roofing contractor to come look at it. It may just need some minor repairs in some areas. 

Talk to a lender about your plans to refinance. Some may tell you it's not worth refinancing since you just bought less than a year ago. If you're confident in your ARV numbers, just move onto another lender that wants to work with you. Keep in mind refinance appraisals will sometimes come in lower than if it were for a purchase.

Post: Thoughts on house hacking in a college area?

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

I think that’s a great way to get started. And, being in a college town you should always have demand.

Post: Advice for buying first multi-family property in the current market

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35
Quote from @Joseph Shilen:

Hello, all! I heard about BP through Brandon Turner's The Book on Rental Property Investing and hope I might be able to get a little bit of advice or even just some words of encouragement.

I've taken a real interest in rental property investing and have felt for a long time that I want to start out with buying a multi-family property and house hacking. This seems to be the best way to go based on my own goals. I'm still very new to the concept but have definitely learned a lot through reading books and browsing other topics here. However, I guess I'm a little discouraged at the moment, given the state of the market and overall economy right now. It's difficult enough learning but in these unprecedented times, there seems to be even more to be aware of.

Traditionally, it seems that the best way to go for a first-time homebuyer is an FHA and a 3.5% down payment. With this in mind, I feel that I already have more than enough to cover a down payment and closing costs on a starter's quality duplex or triplex in a middle-class area in my city (I live in Buffalo). I'm not expecting anything luxurious but a property good enough for a beginning investor to call their first. Regardless of city, have any of you or anyone you know purchased their first investment property in a similar situation recently? Some questions I have are whether an FHA is even a possibility given the current market or is it going to be really difficult for a first-time investor to get one? Or would a conventional actually be better by putting down, say, 20%, instead for less of a payment? I understand other factors may affect this but just want to get a general idea on your thoughts or strategies.

I recently saw a triplex on my street go up for sale with an ask of $189k. The first day it was available was Tuesday. The Zillow listing, however, had no interior photos. For the price and location, I was guessing it would go fast, although without interior photos, you never know. When I walked outside Tuesday around 5:00 PM, there were cars flooding the street with people checking it out. I was thinking of checking it out before seeing all of the competition but once I saw that, I questioned whether I'd even stand a chance as a first-time investor over many potential buyers who could be paying cash or have better financing options for a property like this. Granted, there may have been a slew of people checking it out since there were no interior photos, but it looked like there was a lot of interest from others with likely much more leverage than me at this point. It's going to be tough for anyone to get into a bidding war, although I think it's an even worse idea for someone just starting out.


The last concern I have is the current interest rates. Has anyone that has recently made a purchase been able to still get some cash flow even with the high rates? Ideally, I'd find myself in a really good spot if I were able to pay the mortgage with the tenant's rent and just have to worry about utilities, but is anyone struggling to even do that with how things are right now? Just wondering if you think this is still a possibility or if it's even plausible to get a little cash flow in these trying times as a beginner.


I would really like to buy sooner than later, as waiting may end up being worse in a year or two. I know no one can predict the future and we can really only go off of trends and historical data, so I'm going to avoid asking the ever-popular question "Should I buy now or wait?" No one can give a sure answer to that. I guess I'm more so asking whether there's hope for aspiring investors interested in buying a first multi-family property in the current market or if it's really impractical at this time. At least I believe location is on my side, as Buffalo seems much more affordable than other big cities. I'm a believer that there's always a way, so would you say all hope isn't lost for someone like me at this time?

I believe as long as the numbers make sense on a particular deal, it’s a buy. If you have the capital ready to go to cover: down payment, closing cost, any necessary repairs once you buy the property, plus cash in reserves for unexpected costs, there’s no reason to wait for prices to come down (they may never).

 That being said, don’t just buy the first property you see. Learn to properly run the numbers. Make sure the numbers make sense and align with your goals. I think a Househack is a great way to get your feet wet. I would consider it a lot less risky then other strategies.

Moving forward you should start building up your team in your area. Find a good lender and get pre-approved. Then, find a good agent that can help guide you through the process. In the meantime practice running your numbers (Biggerpockets has some nice calculators on the site you can use).

Post: What are my options

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

Have you considered doing a Househack? (You live in one of the units and rent the others out). By doing this you can get a mortgage that requires a lower down payment and typically more favorable terms since it will be an owner occupied property. 

You can then run the numbers on the remaining units to see if it’s worth the extra work to Airbnb. If not, you could just rent them as a traditional long term rental - or you could do a mix of the two. 

PM me if you want to talk more, I’m in the Dayton area and be happy to answer your questions!

Post: Manage your property by yourself

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

If you are just managing a couple properties. I would recommend checking out apartments.com. It's pretty basic but it's free and easy to use, it should have all the tools you need for now. You may need something more advanced when you start scaling up.

Post: Is there a such thing as a part time realtor?

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

If you want to be "all in" it will definitely be something that will take most of your time. It is doable to do both jobs at the same time but if you really want to scale your income you would probably want to transition to real estate full time at some point. The best path is probably to get licensed and start building your client base while still keeping your teaching job. Once you feel ready you could completely transition.

Post: I inherited my father's house.

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

Sorry for your loss.

As said above, I think your best move is to use the cash to repair the property. Do a cash out refinance once you have everything fixed and take that money to buy the next deal. I would suggest waiting to pull equity out of the property until all of the repairs are done, that way it should appraise higher. That is, if you have enough cash on hand to make the repairs.

Post: How to leverage down payment

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

Be careful trying to get another loan for the down payment. Some loan products do not allow you to have a secondary loan to cover the down payment. Talk to your lender to see what you can do.

Have you thought about applying for an FHA Loan? They typically only require 3.5% down. (As long as you are living in the property)

Post: Owners Title Policy. Yes or No?

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

When purchasing a rental property, I'm curious to know how many people on here get an owner's title insurance policy.

Yes or no, and why?

Post: Financing deals in the 70-80k, range.

Jacob HornbergerPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Tipp City, OH
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 35

Hello, hard money could be an option for a small loan amount. Small local banks/credit unions would also be something to check out. They normally will have more flexible terms. When refinancing, are you trying to pull all of your cash back out?