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All Forum Posts by: Jack B.

Jack B. has started 419 posts and replied 1844 times.

Post: Hypothetical: taking tenant to court for damages

Jack B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Marcia Maynard:

@Jack B. Whoa.... I live and invest in Washington State and have been a landlord here for over 20 years. I believe you may have misinterpreted what is allowed by the Washington State Residential Landlord-Tenant Act. Seattle has additional laws as well, that favor tenants more than landlords.

Let's clarify a few things first. You say you had a lease (which would have an end date) and you also say you had a month-to-month rental agreement (which would have no definite end date). You raised the rent $400 and was also "cutting them a break". Huh?

The tenants gave proper written legal notice to vacate, 20 days prior to the end of their last rental period right? Therefore they have no further obligations to pay rent for future months if they have indeed vacated the unit by the end of that rental period.

It's a sad reality that some units take more time to turnover and the greater the damage, the more time it will take. You will lose some potential rent revenue, but you can't recover it from the out-going tenant. At least I've never heard of such; I'd be interested in seeing the wording of the lease you say was provided by the Washington State Attorney General's office. Especially since the AG office does not enforce L-T law and their website provides guidance to other resources. See: http://atg.wa.gov/residential-landlord-tenant-reso...

What you can do, however, is account for the damages. Be sure to do this within the time period allowed by law, which may be 14 days or 21 days, depending on when the rental agreement was signed and the terms in the rental agreement.

Depending on the age of the carpet and how long the tenant lived in the unit, what you see as carpet damage may be seen by a judge as ordinary wear and tear or the carpet may have reached the end of its useful life. If the carpet was new when they moved in and the damage has shortened its useful life, then you may be able to charge a percentage of the original value.

Whether to pursue the tenant in small claims court is another matter. Rarely is it worth the time and effort. It also ties up valuable court resources. Instead, complete the final accounting for return of the deposit, mail it in the proper manner, wait for the tenant to respond. If she doesn't pay what is due to you in a timely manner, send her a demand letter, it she doesn't respond to that, then decide if the monetary value is worth a lawsuit. Whether you take it to court or not, you can still send it to collections and see if they have any luck with recovery. If you have a court judgement, it will be easier for the collection agency to recoup some of the money for you.

Best practice is to screen potential tenants well, secure a sufficient security deposit at the beginning of the tenancy, do regular property inspections (at least twice a year, quarterly for some properties), charge for damages as they occur, and enforce the terms of the rental agreement swiftly and fairly. If you wait until the end of tenancy, the security deposit is rarely enough.

[This is based on my experience. No legal advice.]

As I stated I had been cutting her a break by renting $400 below market....Not that I was cutting her a break by raising the rent $400

Here it is again:

They gave 20 days notice after I raised their rent $400 a month to market rate. I was cutting them a break until I saw all the damage they had done...

As in...I raised their rent to market when I saw they were not taking care of the place. Not egregious enough to evict, but enough not to lose money on them.

Since we are on the topic of misinterpretation, I think you misunderstand the residential landlord tenant lease provided by the AG's office. The lease template is written by attorneys. They provide a lease agreement that is to the letter of WA state law, and even cites RCW's. It states therein that:

Resident is responsible for

rent lost by Owner while performing repairs and/or cleaning because of Residents failure to comply with the foregoing. The Inventory and Inspection Checklist will

be used to determine the refund of security deposit at the end of this tenancy.

Furthermore, as I said I have pictures of the carpet before and no damage. Now I have lot's of pictures of a carpet that looks like it was used as a plate. 

I hear what you're saying about court, but if it costs me 3K to replace the carpet and only a few bucks for small claims court fees and a few bucks for a process server, it's worth it. Also, I can apparently just send them to collections without a legal claim in court. They have to dispute it with the credit agency or via court if they don't agree.

Post: Sell and reinvest before major CapEx? What about transaction fees

Jack B.Posted
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I actually crunched the numbers due to lack of many responses when I posted this and looked at what the costs were for three paths I could take.

The numbers say I'm better off fixing these up and holding until I move. As do the risks. Why? Factoring in fees for realtors, excise tax, 10-31 broker, closing costs, AND the fact that I will likely have to spruce the roof and paint up to sell in a timely manner anyways, AND the transaction costs of buying replacement properties with loans here (vs. cash) and then risking tenants trashing those places which would leave me with even more repair work, etc. you see where I'm going with this...

Plus, if I sell and repurchase now and the market tanks, I'm in a bad spot. Not only that, the properties I want to buy don't cash flow anymore, so I'm gambling on equity. Only reason I have cash flow in my market was due to the timing and buying strategy.

Right now I have cash flow AND equity gains. If the market turns, I can quickly sell and still make a huge profit as it's going down. But that's only because I bought at the bottom. Plus I'd still be making money off the rents. If I repurchase here now and the market tanks, I can't sell and I can't make money from rents...

A numbers and risk analysis I did showed me that keeping them is the safest and most profitable option.

Post: Hypothetical: taking tenant to court for damages

Jack B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Heather B.:

Is the tenant breaking the lease early?  I'm not sure if I see how you can sue for the month it takes you to turn the unit if they are leaving at the end of the lease.

As I had just stated, I can. It is allowed per the lease which has the state law on the matter written into it. 

No, they are not breaking a lease, they are on a month to month. They gave 20 days notice after I raised their rent $400 a month to market rate. I was cutting them a break until I saw all the damage they had done...

I'm more wondering if I can pursue damages for the lost months rent not only for the fact that it will take time to turn, but also, nobody would rent this place in this condition, and I can't exactly replace it while she is living there, nor would I; I'd end up replacing it twice in a month...

Post: Hypothetical: taking tenant to court for damages

Jack B.Posted
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Carpet is so trashed that it may need to be replaced. They will shampoo as required by the lease before leaving for Texas (they even said so), but judging by the type and amount of stains on what was spotless carpet before, I feel it's more likely it will need to be replaced. 

Damage deposit will of course not cover that. I have a lease, with the address of the bank for the deposit and a condition inventory from when they moved in AND pictures of before and here pretty soon, after. So I think I'm airtight legally.

Since the tenant is moving out of state, I suspect that if she doesn't send payment for the bill related to the damages I will send her, filing a case in small claims court will likely make me the default winner, not because I have all the documentation, but because she isn't going to be able to afford to fly here to defend herself. 

Since I will be getting her new address in Texas where she is moving to, I can have a process server deliver the notice to her if it goes that far. Of course even if I win a judgement I doubt I will get any money from her, but at this point, she isn't going to get away with it without a huge ding to her credit and background.

Also, I wonder if I can pursue the lost rent for the month it takes to turn. Lease says I can, and it's the lease provided by the state attorney generals office for landlords in WA. As of now I've been unable to rent the place to a new tenant because of the condition of the place.

Post: Sell and reinvest before major CapEx? What about transaction fees

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 Is it best to sell some of my houses next year and reinvest via 1031 exchange into a more expensive property in an effort to avoid capex and as a side benefit, increase appreciation potential? Or perhaps reinvest in a cash flow rather than equity market so I don't have to worry about the market tanking? During an up market, the appreciation gains will be better here on a more expensive property, and although I don't expect the market to turn for a few years to come, it is a risk once I buy, as the market could turn, whereas right now even if it turned I could sell and still reap huge profits. But if I hold I'll have to pay out capex. I could as I said, mitigate the risk or market turns by buying cash flow properties in say, Florida, where I plan on moving in 5 years anyways. So I can either buy here for more appreciation or there NOW for cash flow, instead of waiting the 5 years and slowly accelerate my plan relocation.

Although I was planning on selling in 5 years and moving to Florida, I'm coming up on major cap ex for two roofs, paint, furnace, etc. I'm not even sure I can avoid some of the capex to sell, as the roofs may need to be replaced to get financing. I'll post pictures of one of them below. The other one is in much better condition so if this one passes muster the other one will likely too.

I've had the properties 4-6 years and I've heard it said that it's best to sell within 3-7 years to avoid the capex and reinvest the money from one house into two, etc. Of course when I sell and repurchase I'm hitting transaction costs, which I will hit twice since I planned on selling all of these houses in a few years and reinvesting elsewhere. But if I need to avoid capex, I'll get hit with transaction costs twice, once now and once again later, which will basically be more than the capex probably.

Front of house worth about 270K

Back has a section with some moss I could remove....

Another back section with less moss

Post: Giving tenants a move out checklist

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No, not moving here from out of state, my point was that your asertion that the utilities follow them is not true. Utilities are usually city specific and most of my tenants are moving into my rentals from other local cities and moving out tp other local cities, except the tenant in question who is moving out of state.

Post: The Occupants from Hell!

Jack B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Michael Elliott:

Who is at fault for all of this? City council? State legislature? Just stunning that a homeowner can be abused like this. Is this mostly a California thing?

 Any liberal state will really look like this...The more liberal the worse it usually is. 

Post: Using multiple realtors

Jack B.Posted
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I think it's a good idea to use multiple agents. This way you can get in when they are busy with vacation or not available for a day or two. Ideally you'd get your own license. 

Personally I've had two realtors to date, and am looking for a new one. They get two comfortable with me after a while and they lose their touch, thinking they can just unlock the door and collect a check on a property I did all the leg work on...

Frankly I think your realtor is less important than having multiple realtors. At the end of the day, the most important function they serve for me is unlocking the door so I can take a look. 

Post: Giving tenants a move out checklist

Jack B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Penny Clark:

@Jack B.., make sure you document everything with pics or video when they move in so you can refer to it during your move out inspection. I also do not do the final move out inspection until the tenant has left. I will do a preliminary one with the tenant so they know what items they will be expected to thoroughly clean such as oven, refrigerator, window sills, ceiling fans, etc. Their version of clean is often not the same as yours. If you've spent hours cleaning out debris and garbage left by previous tenants, I would improve your screening process. Good tenants know that leaving garbage in a place they rented will reflect poorly on their ability to get future housing. 

 I don't understand why a tenant would need to be reminded to pay their final utility bill. If it is in their name when they transfer it you can have it reverted to the owner if requested. Usually, tenants will just transfer the account to their new address. For move-ins, I tell them the date we will have the utilities such as electric, gas and water out of our name. @Gerald Demers had some great suggestions for you, and being part owner of a pest control company, Gerald, that is a screaming good deal you have there!

 Right, except that only works if they are moving within the same town. Garbage, water, electricity, etc. are not state or national services...Almost all my tenants move to another town or come from another town in the area. The one in question above is moving to Texas...

As far as leaving crap behind making it harder for them to get future housing, this is also a logical fallacy. Usually when they move out they've already secured a place to live and have been given a reference...

I do agree on the move out inspection though...

Post: Does Turnkey eat up too much to be a viable strategy?

Jack B.Posted
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Originally posted by @Clayton Mobley:

@Jack B. If a TK provider is charging that much over market they are gouging you. We provide appraisals for all our properties that show they are worth what you pay or more. In addition to backing up everything we do with a 100% money back guarantee. Of course you can do it all yourself, as I pointed out, but not everyone wants or has the time to, just like they don't want/know how to build their own fully diversified stock portfolio, so they invest in a mutual fund. But if you enjoy that type of work, then self-managing can definitely be a lucrative strategy.

Building a fully diversified stock portfolio is as easy as buying an index fund such as VTSAX. If you want to get creative with this low fee, superior return fund you can also buy their bond and REIT funds.