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All Forum Posts by: Randy Charboneau

Randy Charboneau has started 7 posts and replied 94 times.

Post: Where would you move to start building your real estate empire?

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Eric Prescott:

Hey Nadine!
I cover the Grand Rapids and Muskegon markets and have helped quite a few BP investors get their start in West Michigan.  I'd be happy to run some numbers for you in this area if you'd like.  Just hit me up anytime.

Currently Grand Rapids is experiencing 15% appreciation and Muskegon is 15-25% depending on the area.   Muskegon and Muskegon Heights are focused on gentrification and are making things very friendly for rapid appreciation and its working.   Muskegon might be the best place to invest in the country right now given the rents, cash flow, appreciation and employment opportunities.    

Who in your view are the best PMCs in the Muskegon area? What's their typical take?

Hey @Eric Prescott!  There are a few Property management companies in Muskegon.  Some are Realtors just doing it part time for their clients.  Others are dedicated full service PMC's with contractors and such.  The two that my clients have had the most success with are the full service companies.  Lighthouse PM out of Grand Rapids with an office in Muskegon and Choice PM Solutions out of Muskegon.  I believe both companies have rates in the 9-11% range depending on the size of your portfolio.   Let me know if you have any additional questions or if I can help you out in any way.  Reach out anytime!

Post: First Short Term Rental in Marvelous Muskegon, Michigan

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76

Fantastic!  Love to hear success stories about Muskegon!   The appreciation rate is 25% in some spots over here!   You should do really well with a short term rental and that appreciation rate!   Congrats!   

I helped a couple of investors start their portfolio there this year and they are really happy with the results.  Muskegon is a great area to invest!

Post: 🏡 Newbie Getting Started: Grand Rapids, MI

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76

Welcome to the world of investing Zac!  I've helped quite a few BP users get started here in West Michigan and would be happy to brainstorm with you and share my thoughts if you need some perspective or help from a Realtor in the area.    Shoot me a message anytime and I'll be glad to help you too!

Post: Research on Michigan cities

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Montez B.:

@Randy Charboneau Hey Randy! Where are you getting the information from that’s telling you but the appreciate in every city? I appreciate you alot sir !


Realtors have access to this data available via our MLS statistics. Its not publicly available but I can check any West Michigan market you'd like anytime. Just hit me up and I'll get you what you need.

Post: Research on Michigan cities

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Montez B.:

Hey everyone on the Bigger pockets ! I live in Michigan looking for a investment property(2-4 units) just wanted to reach out and see what website can I use to get the economy growth for each city in Michigan for 2022. If it’s not possible what are some strategies you all use to determine which area is a good location in Michigan to invest in ? I’m looking for a good Cash on Cash return,low crime, great schooling, great jobs and decent appreciation. In 2022 what areas in Michigan did you all come across that has this criteria ? And where did you find this information? I appreciate you all a lot hope to network with you all soon!


 I can run some numbers for you in West Michigan.   We're seeing 15-25% appreciation per year right now.  Muskegon and Muskegon Heights are at the top of that range.   Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Holland and most others are more towards the 15%.   I don't expect a slow down for a couple years until we can get some foreclosures back in the market and reset the inventory.

Post: What's up with Michigan...

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Scott Leuchtmann:
Quote from @Britt Smith:

I've been reading that certain cities/suburbs of Michigan are growing. 

What is your take? 


 Don't underestimate the West side of Michigan. Many people associate Detroit with the state of Michigan. Some of the highest appreciation in the state is in Grand Rapids to the lakeshore. 


 15-25% per year in West Michigan depending on the city/town.   It's pretty crazy.  We've been way undervalued for years so we can handle this kind of a jump and still be okay when the foreclosures finally start again and settle down the market.

Post: Where would you move to start building your real estate empire?

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76
Quote from @Nadine O.:
Quote from @Jared Prevost:

@Nadine O.

I recently moved from Grand Rapids MI and I can tell you from a macroeconomic perspective, it's an excellent market to invest in. All 10 of the largest employers are in different industries, population growth of over 1% annually for the past few years and expected to continue, lots of small multifamily inventory, and really good submarkets. If you really want to invest in a cheap city, Muskegon is 40 minutes west of Grand Rapids on Lake Michigan and you can scoop up cash-flowing deals for $50k.

I previously helped manage an Open Door Capital mobile home park in Muskegon, if Brandon Turner is willing to invest there, it's probably worth looking into.

My problem with other midwest states, such as Ohio and Indiana, is that I don't see meaningful long-term appreciation. People are moving where there is a good lifestyle. In Michigan, you have the Great Lakes and a lot of beautiful natural areas and opportunities for outdoor recreation. (Keep in mind my Michigan bias... no one from Michigan likes Ohio haha).

I think the other considerations such as taxes, tenant friendliness, cost of living, etc are priced into real estate by other investors. I really don't find this info all that relevant - not enough to keep you in analysis paralysis.


Thank you Jared - I was just discussing Grand Rapids with my neighbor a couple of weeks ago - he was recommending it as well. Good to know there are lots of small multifamily inventory and I like the idea of investing in areas within a reasonable distance to larger cities (especially now that the job market is becoming more and more remote in many industries).

Muskegon is a good choice as well.

Great job on the mobile home parks! From all the BP podcasts I have listened to, I know they are Brandon's bread and butter :)

Hey Nadine!
I cover the Grand Rapids and Muskegon markets and have helped quite a few BP investors get their start in West Michigan.  I'd be happy to run some numbers for you in this area if you'd like.  Just hit me up anytime.

Currently Grand Rapids is experiencing 15% appreciation and Muskegon is 15-25% depending on the area.   Muskegon and Muskegon Heights are focused on gentrification and are making things very friendly for rapid appreciation and its working.   Muskegon might be the best place to invest in the country right now given the rents, cash flow, appreciation and employment opportunities.    

Post: Grand Rapids MI RE Meetups?

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76

Hey Brent!

The Renter Property Owners Association (RPOA) is a good source for you if  you plan on investing in GR.  They hold a Friday Morning breakfast networking meeting.  Its decent and I've met some good people there.   
When
Every Friday*
8am - 9am


*every Friday except holidays


Where
Russ’ Restaurant
3966 Plainfield Ave NE
Grand Rapids, MI 49525

Post: West Michigan Market Update for BRRRR

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76

Greetings! My name is Randy Charboneau. I'm a Broker here in West Michigan and an agent who focuses on investors and wealth building. I've had some out of state investors contact me recently asking about the West Michigan market and wanting an analysis of rent return and profit potential for this area. Specifically, they asked me to run some numbers and asked about the BRRRR method for West Michigan and if it was possible. I thought I'd share some of the data I produced as it may help you in your evaluation of this market.

West Michigan and particularly Grand Rapids is experiencing an inventory shortage of available homes to purchase and rent.   A few years ago Forbes identified Grand Rapids as the #1 place in the world to invest in Real Estate and that brought in a lot of foreign money into this area and many homes were snatched up and rented out.  This took them out of the inventory cycle.   So we were already running with a shortage of homes on the market when COVID hit and wreaked havoc.  With the Government intervention on foreclosures, this has made the situation quite dire.   The foreclosures are an important part of the Real Estate cycle and until they start coming back online we can't fix the inventory problem.  There are many that wish to sell and trade up right now but they don't dare do it because they'd be homeless if they sold right now so we just have to wait it out.

All of that means 2 very important things for investors - Appreciation is fantastic and rents/sales prices are climbing so your returns in this area are guaranteed to produce!  

Let's look at some examples of the market and the numbers that I ran so you can see what kind of returns you can expect:

I took a look at a  property at in Wyoming ( a suburb of Grand Rapids on the SW side).  This is a 3 bed 1 bath 1018 sq ft home in good condition
It has a 1 car detached garage. The substructure is a crawl space.  Most properties have full basements in this area so the lack of one  keeps the price a bit lower, but from an investor standpoint, this isn't a big deal.  Its actually preferred with tenants sometimes as they can be hoarders and this gives them less room to do that.

Asking  price is $150,000

There aren't a lot of properties for rent right now in the area, but I found 2 on the market:

4bed/2ba/1040 sq ft w/full basement for $2400/mo
3bed/1ba/944 sq ft w/full basement for $1795/mo

Both of those properties were refreshed/looked good. The subject property needs a few $$ to get to that point,  so let's set $5,000 aside for a property refresh (paint, carpet, repairs, etc.)

Let's say you buy the subject property for $150,000
5,000 for refresh
Total invested $155,000
Keep this property for 10 years.

Rents should trend in the $1800/mo range but we'll go $1600 just for conservative numbers

Monthly Rent $1600
Assume buyer pays all utilities + trash + lawn/snow
Expenses:
Property Taxes: $200/mo
Vac/Maint (10%) = $160/mo
Property Mgt (10%) = $160/mo
Insurance = $80/mo
Total expenses = $600

Total cash flow per month = $1600 - $600 = $1000/mo
Annual Cash Flow = $12,000 x 10 years = $120,000
Sell in 10 years

Appreciation is currently at 15%(!!!) but that wont last forever. A traditional rate for this area is more like 3-5% but honestly since our inventory has been so low for over a decade now the appreciation has been more like 5-10%.  Let's assume we average a conservative 6% appreciation over the next 10 years.

Sale price in 2032 = $268,627
Closing costs = $21,490
Net Proceeds = $247,137

Initial Investment = $155,000
Total 10 year return = $247,137+120,000 - $155,000 = $212,137 in 10 years or an annual return of about $21,214.

That's about a 9% return (compound interest) on your initial 155,000 investment in a safe liquid asset.

Rents and sale prices in the Muskegon, Battle Creek and Kalamazoo areas are running lower so if you have less money you could get the same gains over there with less capital outlay

As you know, the BRRRR method involves REHAB to gain some sweat equity. Rehabbing properties can be a challenge for an investor who is out of state due to supply issues, contractor availability and simply coordinating and supervising the work. With the rapid appreciation in this area right now (15% on average) you can gain equity in properties simply by purchasing and controlling an asset for any length of time. It's a fantastic time to invest! Because of this, an out of state investor can lean more heavily to properties that don't need extensive rehab and can simply refinance after a short period of time with less work.

Feel free to hit me up with questions about any of the areas over here and I'll be glad to help you with your evaluations




Post: Wholesaling - Realtors are your friends

Randy Charboneau
Agent
Posted
  • Residential Real Estate Broker
  • Grandville, MI
  • Posts 104
  • Votes 76

@Corey Grant - It depends on the rules of the MLS. Typically, the MLS requires you to own a home and sign a listing contract with a Realtor member before you can place it on the MLS. However, there are some exceptions and they vary. Most MLS are part of a Realtor Association. Your best bet is to call around to the different associations and see what the rules are and if you find one that has the exceptions you are looking for, choose a Realtor that belongs to that association and work something out so you can get some exposure. The other option might be to advertise directly on some of the larger Real Estate sites on the Internet such as Zillow or Trulia. These large Real Estate websites reach a ton of people. Check the rules for each site and see if they allow non-owner advertising of homes. Another possible option would be a local Renter Owners association. Lots of investors belong to these and they sometimes have meetings you could possibly attend and broaden your investor buyer pool. Those are places I would start. I wish you luck!!