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All Forum Posts by: Harvey Levin

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Post: Section 8 in Indiana?

Harvey Levin
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@Gloria N Gear  Thanks for all the referrals!!! 

Post: Section 8 in Indiana?

Harvey Levin
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 Hi   we specialize in utilizing the Section 8 program in Indianapolis. I have been a landlord using section 8 since1985. In 2011 we started a PM company. It can be a great program but is also confusing. The rent amount you mentioned is not correct. The posted amounts include a landlord providing all utilites which we never reccomend. From what we are seeing a 60 to 70k 3 bed probably needs work or might be in a less desirable location. 3 to 4  years ago that price point was easy to find but current prices ( after repair) would exceed that amount. Send a DM  for more information. 


@Kent Depwe 

Hi, Sorry to make this confusing. The FMR includes the utility allowance. The amount for rent will be less the allowance. Then, there is an adjustment for the tenant's income and finally an adjustment for the area Fair Market Rent. Different Housing Authorities are offering incentives to Landlords currently. Indianapolis is offering to pay 110% of FMR. I do not invest nor manage in Muncie, so I am not aware if they are offering incentives

Post: Section 8 in Indiana?

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@Kristen L Garner  Thank you for mentioning us. We appreciate working with you.

Post: Section 8 in Indiana?

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@Jaron Walling   your comment about not affording to mow the grass or change a light bulb means you are not choosing tenants on Section 8 with Income. That is a tenant screening issue. 

Post: Section 8 in Indiana?

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Quote from @Tyler Lingle:

Would you treat a rental nice if you had it paid for by the government? IMO Section 8 is only something to do if you support the cause, low income housing. Otherwise it is a short term cash flow  play for long term asset depreciation and lots of turnover. 

Hi Tyler, I am curious how many Section 8 tenants you have had 1s hand knowledge of? I have almost 40 years of experience. The average tenancy is 3 to 5 years and then over 50% move into one of our other properties. Our attorneys tell us we have a significantly lower eviction rate than PM's in the same neighborhoods. The key is understanding how to properly screen and also how to manage. Now comparing a C class home with a B class of course the C class will have a higher repair factor but that is across the board no matter who the tenant is. C class renovations are of less quality than a B ( The cheap Lowes Commodes vs a decent American Standard for example) and in many Indy areas the C class homes we always a C class area and the original home was built cheaply. I have been a speaker for HUD out of the Washington DC office on Landlord issues with local housing authorities. At one symposium I was asked what is the difference between a Non Section 8 tenant and a Section 8 tenant. My answer was simple. "LUCK" if we are talking about a lower economic person all things being equal they come from the same tenant pool. As far as would you treat it nice if it was being paid for by the government.. yes, for many of these tenants this is the nicest home they have ever lived in and many keep the houses very nice. We just had a tenant move after living in the home since 2014. All we had to do was wipe down the walls and clean the carpet. Yes, cheap builder-grade carpet that after 8 years was still in good shape. Is this the exce[tion/ Of curse it is but I have lots of stories of how the tenants treat the home just like they own it. I do not see that very often in B-class rentals. I have more issues with prospective owners calling and saying they have a house they cant rent and want to use Section 8. When I ask where it is and why that cant rent it, I usually find it is either in a bad location or needs a lot of work. I also have clients that say why should I make the repairs. What do they expect for free? But yet the rent is paid in full every month so they expect the same as any other expects and deserves. Are they all fantastic tenants? No, but neither are all market tenants. Landlording is not a science, it is an experienced-based business. My almost 40 years of experience with Section 8 have proven that I have been very successful by renting to Section 8 tenants. In my personal residential portfolio, over 95 % of the C class units ( over 50) are Section 8. Currently, the rest started out as Section 8 but their income now exceeds the maximum limits. Treat the customer with respect, provide safe and desirable products, purchased at the right price and condition, provide quality management and anyone can be successful no matter what the product or market.

Post: Section 8 in Indiana?

Harvey Levin
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 Hi   we specialize in utilizing the Section 8 program in Indianapolis. I have been a landlord using section 8 since1985. In 2011 we started a PM company. It can be a great program but is also confusing. The rent amount you mentioned is not correct. The posted amounts include a landlord providing all utilites which we never reccomend. From what we are seeing a 60 to 70k 3 bed probably needs work or might be in a less desirable location. 3 to 4  years ago that price point was easy to find but current prices ( after repair) would exceed that amount. Send a DM  for more information. 

Post: Switch Indy duplex to affordable housing tenants?

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I have been a section 8 landlord in indy since 1985 and managerfor others since 2011 specializing in section 8.the most houses and doubles we have had with sec 8 is over 400 at 1 time.  Over 90% of my personal portfolio is c class with  sec 8 tenants.  It can be highly profitable but making quick repairs  is the number one way to stay profitable.  Without that tenats do not stay long term ( my definition of long term is 5 plus years)

Post: Switch Indy duplex to affordable housing tenants?

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Quote from @Daniel Dixon:

Hey BP community!

We’ve got an Indianapolis C-class duplex that we successfully BRRRRed in 2020. However, tenants have not been great, basically late on rent and/or leaving repairs that eat all profits.

Appreciation would allow us to get out with a modest profit, but I’ve posed going Section 8 via the Affordable Housing website to my business partner. We’d have a subsidized tenant, so at least collecting a majority of the rent, and I understand that these tenants usually stay longer.

I know there is bureaucracy with Section 8 but can out up with that. 

Thoughts from other out of state investors In Indianapolis?


Post: Indy officials taking notice of OOS investors

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The same thing happened after the effects of the 2008 crash when many OSI let the properties fall into horrible conditions. At that time the city started calling out Foreign Investors around 2013 through 2015. Indy used that as an excuse to implement the Landlord Registration. HOA's are concerned as many rentals are not kept up in proper condition. My personal belief is that we will start seeing more restrictions in the coming years with Indianapolis leading the way depending on who the next Mayor is. The current City Council is very anti Landlord. I also see in the very near future for more subsidized Apartments being built all over including B class areas as the former low-income areas are gentrified and prices force low-income residents to move. Chicago went through this in the early 2000's.

Post: Industrial/Flex Property- Day in the Life, Building a Flex Prop

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Thank you for looking at this!!!