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All Forum Posts by: Paul Chae

Paul Chae has started 17 posts and replied 61 times.

Post: Cash out refi queston

Paul ChaePosted
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Originally posted by @Frank A.:
Originally posted by @Paul Chae:
Originally posted by @Joe P.:

Most banks required six months seasoning before a cash out refinance and 75% was the upper limit of ARV -- that was before coronavirus.

That market has dried up considerably, so you either need to go with a less reputable bank or HML who will refinance you at not so great terms, or hold until the market goes up.

If the unit is rented and making money, hopefully your need to refinance isn't so strong. I go in thinking that I will need to hold onto the property for six months at least, and factor in the costs. BRRRR is a fantastic option but the numbers going in need to be realistic for time and maybe a good refinance option, not the best one you can conceive in your mind.

Push comes to shove, if you need your money back or out of the deal immediately, start the wheels on an exit strategy, either selling it to someone, maybe doing seller financing, rent-to-own, etc. Doesn't sound like you are there, but have your ducks in a row before push becomes shove.


The need to pull cash back out is not too urgent, rather it is just I wouldn't be able to go on searching deals without access to the initial capital I invested to this first house. And with all those points and fees coming along, it may be incorrect, but let's say 5k with 7.5% interest, no seasoning period with 70-75% ARV, I might still do it because ROI would still be great. Cashflow on this house would be not so great($200-300, all other expenses considered). Or would I need to just sell it and move on?

I appreciate your comment!

 How much would the place rent for if you rented it right now?

$1200-1250. But I wouldn't mind cutting it down to $1150 or even less as long as cashflow comes out above $100. We will see 

Post: Cash out refi queston

Paul ChaePosted
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Originally posted by @Guifre Mora:
Originally posted by @Paul Chae:

Hello everyone. I hope everyone who's reading this is all well. I have some concerns to share with you guys.

I've posted a similar question before, but still haven't found the answer yet, so here I am writing this again.

I am a first time BRRRR investor living in NYC.

I purchased a single family rental in South Jersey, and its rehab is almost finished.

I have a question in regards to cash out refi. In typical fashion of BRRRR, I tried to get the property refinanced at 75% ARV. The problem is, ARV is about 82k-90k(purchase price was 45k, all in cash. This ARV is based on RE agent's opinion and comps), which not many lender would do cash out refi for. I realized the bare minimum that they think is worth for work is about 100k. But I managed to find the local mortgage lender who was going to do it at pricey cost and interest. I was going to go for it anyway, to stick to BRRRR strategy. Without refinance, what's the point, right? But the mortgage lender closed the program recently due to Coronavirus. Now, I feel like I am stuck. But I am not panicking or anything, but just trying to look for other creative way to get through this. Would you sell it if you were in my shoe? How can I keep going? I really want to do buy and hold rather than flipping or anything. What I hope to do is to learn how to repeat investing with the initial capital. I'd greatly appreciate all of knowledgeable advices and information. Stay safe everyone.

if anyone knows NJ lender who does cash out for under 100k, with just one month ownership, Please let me know!

Hoyoon

 Hoyoon, everything you said that is going wrong with the deal is what things I would say sorry we can't do the deal, but I like your attitude. Something to consider, even if you find a lender it's likely it needs to be stabilized (rented) and with 1-month ownership even more unlikely. If you rented it's more likely you could find an investor to buy it while you recoup some cash. As you found out its easy to get in a property under 100K but hard (not impossible) to get out, unfortunately. You also have to add post-CV-19 witch cashouts are at around -70%. If you sell basically you doubled your money and you can keep going in RE.

Good luck

 Yep I sure did find out it's not easy to get out from lower priced deal haha. But I don't regret the first step, nor did I expect this journey to be easy at all. But it feels quite good actually. My agent is going to be the poperty manager as well. He's starting on advertisement very soon. And initial investment was purchase price(45k)+rehab(15k) all in cash. If I sell it, there's going to be significant tax and fees, and I am worried profit would be negligible. Thank you for the advice!

Post: Cash out refi queston

Paul ChaePosted
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Originally posted by @Joe P.:

Most banks required six months seasoning before a cash out refinance and 75% was the upper limit of ARV -- that was before coronavirus.

That market has dried up considerably, so you either need to go with a less reputable bank or HML who will refinance you at not so great terms, or hold until the market goes up.

If the unit is rented and making money, hopefully your need to refinance isn't so strong. I go in thinking that I will need to hold onto the property for six months at least, and factor in the costs. BRRRR is a fantastic option but the numbers going in need to be realistic for time and maybe a good refinance option, not the best one you can conceive in your mind.

Push comes to shove, if you need your money back or out of the deal immediately, start the wheels on an exit strategy, either selling it to someone, maybe doing seller financing, rent-to-own, etc. Doesn't sound like you are there, but have your ducks in a row before push becomes shove.


The need to pull cash back out is not too urgent, rather it is just I wouldn't be able to go on searching deals without access to the initial capital I invested to this first house. And with all those points and fees coming along, it may be incorrect, but let's say 5k with 7.5% interest, no seasoning period with 70-75% ARV, I might still do it because ROI would still be great. Cashflow on this house would be not so great($200-300, all other expenses considered). Or would I need to just sell it and move on?

I appreciate your comment!

Post: Cash out refi question

Paul ChaePosted
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Originally posted by @Will Fraser:

Hi @Paul Chae!  I'll start by saying this as a disclaimer:  a real estate agents opinion is NOT an appraisal, and a reputable (and regulated) bank or lender will require an appraisal.  If your RE agent happens to be extremely good, then 👏 the number they came up with might be legit.  If they are like the VAST majority of agents . . . get an appraisal before you assume the value is too low.

IF the value truly is too low for your area, then you could still find a bank to do a Home Equity Line of Credit on this investment property.  That would likely be your best way to access the equity without selling the home.  

Even if the value of the home is less than $100k, many local banks will do those loans on their commercial lending side (a portfolio loan is sometimes what that is called). You might check there, too.

Yes even though it wouldn't be easy to find one, either I will still have to find one or look into HELOC! I made calls back earlier this March to look for local lenders, and I remember one of them said best option he suggests is HELOC in my situation. And speaking of the agent I work with, I believe his words. But then again I assume doublechecking facts is certainly my responsibility : ) I appreciate your kind comment.

Post: Cash out refi question

Paul ChaePosted
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Hello everyone. I hope everyone who's reading this is all well. I have some concerns to share with you guys.

I am a first time BRRRR investor living in NYC.

I purchased a single family rental in South Jersey, and its rehab is almost finished.

I have a question in regards to cash out refi. In typical fashion of BRRRR, I tried to get the property refinanced at 75% ARV. The problem is, ARV is about 82k-90k(purchase price was 45k, all in cash. This ARV is based on RE agent's opinion and comps), which not many lender would do cash out refi for. I realized the bare minimum that they think is worth for work is about 100k. But I managed to find the local mortgage lender who was going to do it at pricey cost and interest. I was going to go for it anyway, to stick to BRRRR strategy. Without refinance, what's the point, right? But the mortgage lender closed the program recently due to Coronavirus. Now, I feel like I am stuck. But I am not panicking or anything, but just trying to look for other creative way to get through this. Would you sell it if you were in my shoe? How can I keep going? I really want to do buy and hold rather than flipping or anything. What I hope to do is to learn how to repeat investing with the initial capital. I'd greatly appreciate all of knowledgeable advices and information. Stay safe everyone.

if anyone knows NJ lender who does cash out for under 100k, with just one month owndership, Please let me know!

Hoyoon

Post: Cash out refi queston

Paul ChaePosted
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  • Posts 62
  • Votes 11

Hello everyone. I hope everyone who's reading this is all well. I have some concerns to share with you guys.

I've posted a similar question before, but still haven't found the answer yet, so here I am writing this again.

I am a first time BRRRR investor living in NYC.

I purchased a single family rental in South Jersey, and its rehab is almost finished.

I have a question in regards to cash out refi. In typical fashion of BRRRR, I tried to get the property refinanced at 75% ARV. The problem is, ARV is about 82k-90k(purchase price was 45k, all in cash. This ARV is based on RE agent's opinion and comps), which not many lender would do cash out refi for. I realized the bare minimum that they think is worth for work is about 100k. But I managed to find the local mortgage lender who was going to do it at pricey cost and interest. I was going to go for it anyway, to stick to BRRRR strategy. Without refinance, what's the point, right? But the mortgage lender closed the program recently due to Coronavirus. Now, I feel like I am stuck. But I am not panicking or anything, but just trying to look for other creative way to get through this. Would you sell it if you were in my shoe? How can I keep going? I really want to do buy and hold rather than flipping or anything. What I hope to do is to learn how to repeat investing with the initial capital. I'd greatly appreciate all of knowledgeable advices and information. Stay safe everyone.

if anyone knows NJ lender who does cash out for under 100k, with just one month ownership, Please let me know!

Hoyoon

Post: Cash out refi queston

Paul ChaePosted
  • Investor
  • Posts 62
  • Votes 11

Hello everyone. I hope everyone who's reading this is all well. I have some concerns to share with you guys.

I am a first time BRRRR investor living in NYC.

I purchased a single family rental in South Jersey, and its rehab is almost finished.

I have a question in regards to cash out refi. In typical fashion of BRRRR, I tried to get the property refinanced at 75% ARV. The problem is, ARV is about 82k-90k(purchase price was 45k, all in cash. This ARV is based on RE agent's opinion and comps), which not many lender would do cash out refi for. I realized the bare minimum that they think is worth for work is about 100k. But I managed to find the local mortgage lender who was going to do it at pricey cost and interest. I was going to go for it anyway, to stick to BRRRR strategy. Without refinance, what's the point, right? But the mortgage lender closed the program recently due to Coronavirus. Now, I feel like I am stuck. But I am not panicking or anything, but just trying to look for other creative way to get through this. Would you sell it if you were in my shoe? How can I keep going? I really want to do buy and hold rather than flipping or anything. What I hope to do is to learn how to repeat investing with the initial capital. I'd greatly appreciate all of knowledgeable advices and information. Stay safe everyone.

if anyone knows NJ lender who does cash out for under 100k, with just one month owndership, Please let me know!

Hoyoon

Post: Lender, portfolio lenders etc

Paul ChaePosted
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Originally posted by @Vaughn Smith:

@Paul Chae you might want to speak with @Anastasia G. she's a great resource and a lender with M & T Bank she may be able to provide some options 

 Thanks a lot for your kind info! I've had only one lender in mind, and now I might be looking at another potential choice. I will definitely reach out to her. Thanks again have a great day

Post: Utilizing business line of credit for rehab

Paul ChaePosted
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Hello everyone.

I am a first time investor in NY, investing in NJ.

I got approved for some amount of business credit a few days ago, and am working on a small rehab project.

This is the term that I've got, the total limit of my business lines of credit is $10,000 at 0% APR,

Can I utilize them at 100% of the total amount and pay only the minimum and pay the rest back in a month or two, OR the general rule of thumb that you need to keep your balance at about 35% of the it at all times apply here as well? I just don't want this way of funding to eat up my credit score

Thanks in advance for your advice guys. Happy investing

Post: Lender, portfolio lenders etc

Paul ChaePosted
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Originally posted by @John Warren:

@Paul Chae how much the house appraises for is going to be a pretty mathematical process. Most conventional financing will allow you to refinance your money six months after you purchase the property. My guess would be that it may take this much time for you to get it done, especially as this is your first BRRR project. Most of my clients in Chicago take that long to turn small multifamily projects when they are starting out, and that is ok!

BRRR is truly a powerful strategy if you can pull it off. I recently had a client complete a cash out refinance and get all of his money back in just over one year on a four unit in Berwyn. He put a lot of sweat equity in though, and that is the part that a lot of these posts will blur over.

 Hi John. Well I have been hearing about some lenders who could be of help, not so sure yet, I might have found some. 6months waiting is too long obviously. We will see how it goes.