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All Forum Posts by: Maggie Tasseron

Maggie Tasseron has started 0 posts and replied 215 times.

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. HELOC for downpayment on next rental prop?

Maggie TasseronPosted
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  • Palm Desert, CA
  • Posts 215
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Interesting to learn other people used the same strategy. I don't know other investors personally and until discovering BP just recently have not been privy to how others do things. I've never read an investment book but I have a good eye for properties and do all my own work with the exception of laying carpet and installing new drains, so my strategy, if you want to call it that, has always been just to buy a crappy property in a good area and to take it from there. The money part of it I've pretty much invented as I went along, with quite a bit of extra inventiveness during the bubble-bursting times. Thanks for sharing your story!

Yes, lots of windmills here! Your remark had me confused for a second as I was born in Holland and wondered how you could possibly know that LOL. All the best to you and your wife and I'm sure we'll talk more in the future.

Post: Leaving California for "sunnier" skies!

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Originally posted by @Russell Strazzella:
Originally posted by @Maggie Tasseron:
Originally posted by @Russell Strazzella:
Originally posted by @Maggie Tasseron:
Originally posted by @Russell Strazzella:

Hey everybody,

For the last dozen years I've been working in eCommerce in Los Angeles, but am finally scratching the itch to get into real estate.  I have sold my home and plan to use the profit I made as capital to build and grow my small empire in a smaller market with much lower acquisition costs.  I'm here to learn everything I can to decide which place is right for me.

 Hey Russell: Aside from your use of the term "empire" you don't say whether you are more interested in flipping or holding. I think that would have quite some bearing on where you plan to go. Also, having lived in a cold climate for a number of years, I personally wouldn't want to do rehabs again in a place where snow and ice will determine my work schedule. Look forward to hearing more about your plans!

I am definitely worried about the short building seasons in the midwest, and that does factor into my decision. But I was thinking I would treat my assets differently based on current conditions. I'm starting small with SFR and duplexes. If prices were on the rise, then I would flip. If not, then I would hold and find renters. Maybe this is an overly optimistic approach to thinking about it, but I am still in the early stages of planning it all out. I would prefer to find a market that I want to live in and adjust my money-making strategy based on what makes the most sense at the time rather than pick a strategy first and move to the market that best suited it at the time.

Am I being naive to think this way?

I certainly don't think it's naive to look at the re market from all different angles, as you are doing and I think you're on the right track to start with SFR's and duplexes. A smaller cash outlay at the beginning is always a good idea for someone new to the business. I've made my biggest profits from SFR's, both flipping and holding, but I'm not otherwise employed and do all my own work so I have about as much control over things as is possible in this field. You'll know soon enough if you enjoy being a landlord; after almost 40 years as one, I am just now wrapping up work on my last rental in order to sell it and intend to just flip one at a time from now on. You're considerably younger than I am so of course your goals are different. My advice is always to learn as much as possible about what it takes to rehab property and just take it from there; even if you don't intend to do any or all of the work yourself, it will help you out immensely when dealing with contractors and when assessing properties you may want to buy. It's so easy now that we have the Internet to check out MLS all over the country and when I do so, I also use Google Street View to check out the neighborhoods. If you haven't tried that yet, you may find that's a very useful resource...and kind of fun too, for me at least. Best of luck and I hope this has been helpful.

 Thanks for the input.  It's good to hear that I'm picking a good starting point.  And yes, I plan on doing the work myself.  My father was in construction for most of his life, and I spent almost every other weekend from the age of 10 to 17 making trips with him from our house to Home Depot; learning how to do almost everything except foundation work (we lived on a slab).  

I am eager to get the ball rolling but plan to draw out a very clear vision before executing anything.  If I had to pick ONE strategy, I think buy-and-hold is a little more in line with my goals.  Ultimately, I want a lot of small tributaries feeding a large river... and, in that metaphor, those small tributaries are rental properties.

 Hey Russell: Good to know you learned so much from schlepping around with your Dad; maybe you didn't exactly love it at the time but I'm sure you're reaping the rewards now! I hope your river turns into the Mighty Mississippi and that all your tributaries pay their rent on time; if they don't, there are tons of people here on BP to advise you on how to get them running again... Regards from a little ways east.

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. HELOC for downpayment on next rental prop?

Maggie TasseronPosted
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Originally posted by @Alexander Felice:
Originally posted by @Maggie Tasseron:
Originally posted by @Alexander Felice:

they are the same thing.

heloc = home equity line of credit.

Unless I misunderstanding something

 A home equity loan is a lump sum on which you would pay interest the entire time all or any of it is outstanding, whereas a home equity line of credit is something you can use as needed and on which you only pay interest on the amount used. 

yeah I read the post like 3 times and it still slipped past me. I do heloc's every day but HEloans very rarely. #brainfart

I think HELOC's are more popular for the obvious reasons. I lived off mine during the lean years waiting for the market to come back and was very happy to have them! #mybrainfarts2 LOL

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. HELOC for downpayment on next rental prop?

Maggie TasseronPosted
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Originally posted by @Daria B.:
Originally posted by @Maggie Tasseron:
Originally posted by @Edward B.:

@Daria B.,

Go Gators!

I spent several years of my youth in Gainesville, FL. To answer your question, yes the interest is deductable because the loan is against your primary residence, regardless of what you use the money for. If you have a loan against an investment property you can write it off against the income from the property. Always confirm with your CPA, though.

I have a love/hate relationship with WF. I have a HELOC with them which has been good. I have two business checking accounts with them that I am in the process of moving because they no longer offer no fee business checking. And they slow rolled us so badly on a VA loan in 2010 that I wound up just financing with someone else.

If I refused to do business with every bank that upset me though I would be done in this business. Sometimes you have to just forgive and forget. Unless it is Bof A, of course, I have a hate/hate relationship with them and will never do business with those @#$% @#$%^# again! Same deal, miserable experience with a loan that drug on for years, even after I had refinanced. All I can say is keep all of your paperwork and correspondence, because they won't.

Ed

I couldn't agree more with you on BofA. Although I'd had a checking account with them for many years, they refused to give me free checking when I turned 55 so I defected to a Union Bank right across the street. I made sure all charges went through my BofA account before closing it, but despite their teller's assurance, after it closed, a service fee was applied, overdrawing the now-closed account. You can only imagine the can of worms that ensued. It took me a good month and much wasted time to finally get that d***ed account closed. Worse yet, just when the real estate bubble was about to burst, I was in escrow to sell a flip property and 2 days before it closed, BofA changed the terms of the loan and the buyers walked away. I had to hold that property for another 3 years and 3 horrible tenants, and then finally sold it for $150,000 less than the original deal. I will never deal with BofA again. BTW, Union Bank was the only bank where I had a HELOC that did not freeze my loan during all the bad years. I'd recommend UB to anyone!

 And your experience is half for me of what I went through with WF. Compared to your story it wasn't that bad - more irritating than anything. Managing the loan process myself. Not very competent people as I had to call them at every turn of the loan process because of incorrect information they continued to put down after I continued to tell them what it should be. And they killed so many trees mailing me documents. I dealt with 3 people to process the loan. One was just a concerige and the one that was supposed to be the loan officer was a very young inexperienced person that didn't check emails or return calls and went out for the weekend with no follow up. After finding out what was going on I then dealt with her boss. He did all her work and all 3 just didn't see this was a problem. Ok it was as bad as yours LOL

So Union Bank, I don't think there is a local presence here in Gainesville. Has anyone dealt out of area for their HELOC? I'm still so accustomed to knowing that if I need to see a face I can pop into a local branch.

I don't think Union Bank has branches in Gainesville, but in these times of the Almighty Internet, does it really matter? After all, I dealt with BofA face to face and look where it got me!!! If you're interested in doing business with Union Bank, I would just contact them and hear what they have to say. I can't imagine them turning down a good new customer. Hope you have success with them.

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. HELOC for downpayment on next rental prop?

Maggie TasseronPosted
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  • Palm Desert, CA
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Originally posted by @Craig Naylor:

I too am looking at the same options now. I just applied for a HELOC, my plan is to use some for down payment of new rental property and also to take out enough to satisfy the 6 months reserves my lender wants to see for closing. Once I have closed I will put back the reserves and start looking for more properties.

Good luck and I'll keep an eye on this tread to see how you made out.

Good plan, Craig. When the real estate bubble was bursting, I heard the banks were starting to freeze HELOC's so I took out the max on all three of mine and put the money in CD's. It cost me some in interest of course, as the interest income on the CD's was less than what I had to pay, but those funds kept me going through the bad years and now as I sell these properties, they are getting paid off. The profit on all my properties has far outweighed the amount of interest I paid and gave me both time to wait out the slump and much-needed peace of mind while the markets recovered.

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. HELOC for downpayment on next rental prop?

Maggie TasseronPosted
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Originally posted by @Daria B.:
Originally posted by @Scott W.:

I've got a HELOC at 90% LTV at 3% and a $75 annual fee. I got $46,600 and used it flip a house.

 Why the annual fee, is that typical?

I don't think it's typical. I have 3 HELOC's, with Chase, Union Bank and First Bank and none on them charges an annual fee.

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. HELOC for downpayment on next rental prop?

Maggie TasseronPosted
  • Investor
  • Palm Desert, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 63
Originally posted by @Edward B.:

@Daria B.,

Go Gators!

I spent several years of my youth in Gainesville, FL. To answer your question, yes the interest is deductable because the loan is against your primary residence, regardless of what you use the money for. If you have a loan against an investment property you can write it off against the income from the property. Always confirm with your CPA, though.

I have a love/hate relationship with WF. I have a HELOC with them which has been good. I have two business checking accounts with them that I am in the process of moving because they no longer offer no fee business checking. And they slow rolled us so badly on a VA loan in 2010 that I wound up just financing with someone else.

If I refused to do business with every bank that upset me though I would be done in this business. Sometimes you have to just forgive and forget. Unless it is Bof A, of course, I have a hate/hate relationship with them and will never do business with those @#$% @#$%^# again! Same deal, miserable experience with a loan that drug on for years, even after I had refinanced. All I can say is keep all of your paperwork and correspondence, because they won't.

Ed

I couldn't agree more with you on BofA. Although I'd had a checking account with them for many years, they refused to give me free checking when I turned 55 so I defected to a Union Bank right across the street. I made sure all charges went through my BofA account before closing it, but despite their teller's assurance, after it closed, a service fee was applied, overdrawing the now-closed account. You can only imagine the can of worms that ensued. It took me a good month and much wasted time to finally get that d***ed account closed. Worse yet, just when the real estate bubble was about to burst, I was in escrow to sell a flip property and 2 days before it closed, BofA changed the terms of the loan and the buyers walked away. I had to hold that property for another 3 years and 3 horrible tenants, and then finally sold it for $150,000 less than the original deal. I will never deal with BofA again. BTW, Union Bank was the only bank where I had a HELOC that did not freeze my loan during all the bad years. I'd recommend UB to anyone!

Post: Home Equity Loan vs. HELOC for downpayment on next rental prop?

Maggie TasseronPosted
  • Investor
  • Palm Desert, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 63
Originally posted by @Alexander Felice:

they are the same thing.

heloc = home equity line of credit.

Unless I misunderstanding something

 A home equity loan is a lump sum on which you would pay interest the entire time all or any of it is outstanding, whereas a home equity line of credit is something you can use as needed and on which you only pay interest on the amount used. 

Post: exploding light bulb issue

Maggie TasseronPosted
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  • Palm Desert, CA
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Originally posted by @Glenn McCrorey:

So a renter said a light bulb in a chandelier exploded and caught on fire (I'm sure this is an exaggeration) so I did some research on the internet and sent her an email saying it's no big deal with the following explanation which I think cleared it up pretty well:

The reason is simple. Just before they burn out, incandescent bulbs get a surge of current as the tungsten filament loses its resistance just prior to burning away. That surge raises the energy going across the filament as E = IV > iV = e where I > i is the surge in current, V is the voltage across the filament. So E > e and that surge in energy converts immediately into heat energy E = Q which stresses the glass in the bulb so it pops.

 I often tell tenants: If the house catches fire, call 911; I don't own a firetruck. Hope this helps.

Post: exploding light bulb issue

Maggie TasseronPosted
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Originally posted by @Jassem A.:

If that explanation doesn't work, you can tell them that you think the building is haunted but that you've only seen this kind of activity with tenants who don't pay their rent

 Good one, Jassem! Gave me a much-needed laugh.