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All Forum Posts by: Hau N.

Hau N. has started 7 posts and replied 144 times.

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
  • Votes 74
@Robert Plumpe thanks for the response. the consensus on BP is walk away. As expected. I've been looking for only two months on MLS so not that long compared to many successful investors.

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
  • Votes 74

@Wade McMaster I used rentometer to estimate the rent.  A 2 bedroom apartment nearby is going for $1400/month.  So I think it conservative but safe to use for analyzing this property. 

@Yi Lin Thanks.  I'm glad I found it too. :)

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
  • Votes 74

@Kevin Nguyen The schools in this location have always been very good.  The National Spelling Bee winner, Ananya Vinay, of 2017 goes to a school in Clovis Unified District.  Thanks for reminding me of these deductions associated with the investing business.  Amanda Han, Brandon's CPA, talked about this recently in the podcast. 

@Lesley Resnick Thanks for the reply.  I'll know who to call when I want to invest in Jacksonville. :)

@Linda S. Thank you.  Most responses so far say walk away except for two.  I don't think the profit (if any) is worth flipping that house.  Good thought though.

@Matthew A. Thanks for crunching the numbers.  I appreciate it.  I don't think rent will remain the same if the house value doubled.  Assuming if I were to lose $225/mo x first 5 yrs, then that would be around $13K instead of losing $81K.  That would make it 507K + 68K (81-13) + rental income of $150/mo x 25 yrs (equals 30K) ===> 507+68+45 => 620K.  This is still less than $630K investing in stock.  lol  Basically, you're saying I need to make at least $200/mo on a house like this to even worth considering investing.  Am I correct?

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
  • Votes 74
Originally posted by @Dmitriy Fomichenko:

Hau, just an FYI: you can't borrow from an IRA, it does not offer such option. If you have a 401k with your employer it may have an option like this, but not an IRA.

Thanks for the clarification. My wife and I have 401k from our employer. I'll open an solo IRA if I ever worked as an independent contractor.

Originally posted by @Sunny Burns:

@Travis Dawson we did stay in our residence for a full-year, but I was never told that I had to or seen any documentation to that effect. I just had to be owner-occupying and making it my primary residence at time of purchase.

Even at closing, the banks closer said that she would never be driving down to where I was again.

@Joseph M.

@Joseph M. yea I mean I still do max-out my 401k, Roth-IRA's, and together my portfolio has grown a total of 43% since I started investing in 2011. But if you think about all the tax deductions, rental cash-flow, property appreciation we've seen in just these two short years, it has been a much great return and has accelerated our net worth growth so much more than Stocks have.

On the other hand, I've never had to sweat or bleed picking a stock or index fund, but this morning I am sore and bruised from being busy last night picking up two kitchens worth of used cabinets off craigslist. 

*Pictured is just one kitchen, didn't take a pic of the second Kitchen's cabinets once it was stuffed in the U-haul.

 I hope that you had friends helping you out carrying those cabinets like when they helped remodeling your house.

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
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@Account Closed Thank you.  You asked many wise questions that I have not looked into in depth.  For what it is worth, the Zillow estimation of this home was $337K in Dec 2007 (a year prior to the crash) and it is now $311K. The lowest it went was $184K in Dec 2011.  I have to do more research on the rent market in this area in the lat 10 yrs.  Good teaching point!  It is these kind of suggestions that I originally made this post.  Thanks again.  

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
  • Votes 74
Originally posted by @Dan Schwartz:

@Hau Nguyen 50.6% operating expenses sounds awfully specific. What exactly will cost you $885.50 every month? Taxes, insurance....

(Not saying your expenses won't be that high, just wondering if you would detail what you are estimating, so that others can review and comment/assist.)

lol.  I should put 50% instead of 50.6% because I can never estimate to a 10th of a decimal.  Tax ($3200/yr), insurance ($450/yr), 10% property management, 10% maintenance, 10% cap ex.  All that plus an 8% vacancy.  

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
  • Votes 74
Originally posted by @David Faulkner:

Based upon some of the comments, I feel the need to revisit REI 101 ... investing in RE has 4 profit centers:

1) Appreciation (both forced and market)

2) Cash flow (which changes over time)

3) Mortgage Pay Down (ammortization)

4) Tax Savings

The above should be indisputable fact, the conclusions drawn below are my opinion based on 15 years of REI experience.

If you are only looking at 1 out of 4 of these things, and you are only assessing it for day 1 and not the entire lifetime of the investment (or assuming that it will stay constant without validating that assumption with long term historical data or some other source), then you are NOT looking at the entire investment picture.

The best way IMO to combine all of these things into a single analytical framework is to project out the financials making reasonable and conservative assumptions (based on long term average historical trends and/or actual data where available) and compute the IRR. Then engineer your transactions such that you have multiple profitable exit strategies that can be selected at any time in case your projections are off.

This is true IMO and experience in any market, and each and every market has pluses and minuses and may be stronger in one of the above while being weaker in another ... you can make reliable profits in any case, and no you do not necessarily need to be a speculator in order to do it, you just have to be able to assess the big picture and craft and execute an investment strategy that makes sense for that market.

Thanks David.  Yeah, it doesn't hurt to review Brandon's youtube video on that.  Tax savings is out the window for us.  We make more than $100k/year to take advantage of depreciation.  We can use it to subtract rental income to zero, but that's about it.  I can't use depreciation to deduct income from our W2s.   Perhaps deducting mortgage interest is of benefit. 

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
  • Votes 74

Thanks @Bradley Chiakas, @Benjamin Aaker, @David Michael, @Gary Nelson, and @Liwen Gu.

I like to learn the business hands-on so I don't mind managing. I look forward to learning the ins/outs of REI. I think one of the blogger wrote about this recently how we all should be managing our properties. :)

Gary, this house went into pending but fell through due to financing issues so it was placed back in the market. 

@David Faulkner

@David Faulkner Thank you for the input.  I'll definite take it into consideration in my future deals. 

Liwen, you found the house?!  I'm glad you went that far to look for it. LOL.

Post: Should I walk away?

Hau N.Posted
  • CA
  • Posts 153
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Originally posted by @Todd Dexheimer:

I don't get why you would buy it? Why not invest in the stock market for 20-30 years where you can get 5-8% after fees? For higher return use your money as a lender. Be a private equity investor in other syndications, businesses or crowdfunding. Your investment is $82,750, plus $6000/year until rent gets to the break even point, so likely over $100,000.  I don't get it, but I'm not from California. 

True. I never considered REI until recently. Most of money are in the stock market. An RE investor I met at the gym instill the REI seed in me. He has $2 mil in REI and said I should really look into in. I have to say he was right. Returns from REI can be quite impressive and the financial independence prospect of REI is certainly appealing.