@Soh Tanaka @Peter Bowen you guys are over worked on this. I'd rather charge a little below market rent and have 100% occupancy than charge market rent and have vacancy. especially for small multi-family. one vacancy out of a fourplex is 25%. in order to gain $100 in rent, you have one empty unit. you do the math if you are better off charging market rent. I have a tenant who has been there since 2005 over the years rent has doubled but it's always $100 sometimes $200 below market. as market rent increases, her rent increases as well but always lagging the market. what I lost in rent I saved in having no turn over cost, no vacancy cost and most importantly no time spent looking for new tenants and having potentially bad tenants. the risk has been reduced dramatically. under most circumstances over 12 years span, you would have 4 or 5 turn overs I had zero and I am only behind $100, $200 max market rent. which is a better deal?