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All Forum Posts by: Hannah Joy

Hannah Joy has started 26 posts and replied 88 times.

Post: Overextending? Need advice from the old timers

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Jeremy H.:

I think it depends - 100k rehab is no joke - how do you plan to finance that? The other thing - it's currently rented so you can just ride that out anyway. Not like it's vacant and you have no income on it. What's the 100k in updates for? Seems odd to need to spend 100k when the place is occupied and not in the worst shape. Will it be generating income at that purchase price? I just can't imagine seeing a 10%+ return on that 100k to make it worth the updating. I would personally just turn each unit over as they come back up for lease, then increase the rents and fix it up over time. 100k is a downpayment on another place and/or reserve funds. 

I, like you, have gotten tired recently. Last house I closed on was Sept last year - I let it sit and started working on it in March. Costs less to let it sit than paying a contractor 2-5k/week, I'm going to DIY some, and the location is awesome so no need to worry about break-ins/vandalism. 

If it's a great deal - I'd say go for it. Being leveraged for a bit isn't the end of the world - there are usually options available if push comes to shove - 401k loan, personal loan, sell stocks, credit card (then balance transfer continuously until you can pay the balance off) and lastly sell. It looks like you have plenty of equity in your other properties, so you have a worst case exit plan (and several exit plans at that)

How'd you get the equity in your other properties? High downpayments or covid era appreciation?

Thanks, Jeremy, for the long reply! The 100k in upgrades would likely be a renovation loan, or I would slowly add equity and then do a cash out refi enough to do the major things - replace roof, update kitchens and bathrooms etc. For sure would sit on it a while as it is already rented. The great thing about this one is the 3 separate units, so I could work on them one by one. 

The leverage issue - My current back up plan if disaster strikes is that HELOC on my first property, so if I use that for a down payment I don't have that back up. I just don't know if my DTI would allow for a second HELOC on another property if something disastrous did happen - like an earthquake or something (which did happen here 2 years ago).  I am paying off a small LOC and 0% credit cards from the last property - this will take a few months. Can't get approved for any more credit cards due to using credit too much I guess. No access to 401k loan, don't have stocks. Wage income is minimal - 3k per month. What is your nest egg for emergencies? 

The equity in the properties primarily came from finding properties that were "scary looking" so sellers took a low offer, and the added equity after rehab was far greater than the actual cost of rehab. A lot of sweat equity. Plus covid era appreciation yes.  

Fun to hear about your project. Sept - March - I can't let a property sit that long! For me, everything has to pay for itself as soon as possible, and each project has to stand alone. But I get being tired - I'm caught between being totally obsessed and also just so weary. 

Post: Overextending? Need advice from the old timers

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Mike Dymski:

Leverage has always been low on my list of concerns.  I buy properties in locations that have very low risk of extended periods of vacancy.  And I have reserves (and retirement accounts) for the expense side of things.  Leverage risk is dependent on the situation / investor.


 I think the question is - do I leverage those reserves to move faster. I'm also in an area with low vacancy risk - I've had zero days of vacancy since I started actually. The plan is working, but it has only been 3 years. How long did it take before you hit a major obstacle or large unforeseen expense that you needed your reserves for? 

Post: Overextending? Need advice from the old timers

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Charles Perkins:

I don't know the California market, but I have seen a lot in the greater Puget Sound WA.  Very high interest rates, Easy times to find deals with conventional loans and hard times and recently the housing bubble / crash.  

I have learned to mitigate risk with smarter purchases, reserves, reasonable down payments, built-in gains, solid income stream, and not biting off to much at any time.

There is risk in everything, but these are large investments of time and money.  Well worth it when managed well. I personally like to manage the risk and take it slow and true.  Currently I live off my investments and can easily retire.


 Any chance you have a schedule of real estate I could look at for my edification? (one that includes dates purchased etc so I can see how quickly you got to this point?) 

Post: Overextending? Need advice from the old timers

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

A follow up on this: do you all have mentors that you go to before making big R/E decisions? Any recommendations on a coach? I have to be scrappy, nobody is going to bail me out if I lose everything because of one bad move. 

Post: Overextending? Need advice from the old timers

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Bjorn Ahlblad:

California is a special case where tenants are protected much more than LL's. You could need serious reserves and access to cash. If property values fall and you are forced to sell you would be wiped out. Other than that you can make a serious return with relatively few properties held over time. 

I invested in the Bay Area -buy and hold- for 30 years and did well. Just don't get over extended, always have money!

Hannah you were great in Black Sails?


 Thanks Bjorn! Different Hannah, but she looks cool :) 

I guess I better hope the offer isn't accepted

Post: Overextending? Need advice from the old timers

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

I have managed to obtain 3 buy/hold properties in 3 years and am in the middle of converting the garage on the 3rd. A property just came on the market that seems like a very good deal, and exactly what I look for. I feel like I have to try for it! Theoretically I could obtain a HELOC on my first property for the down payment on this one and sit on it until I have time for reno. I feel pulled in both directions - go all in on a good deal or be smart and wait for the next one because I am pretty leveraged (and tired) as it is? It seems like such a good one. Advice from those that know better?

Property 1: 276k balance, 450k BPO, monthly cash flow average $500 

Property 2: 376k balance, 700k BPO, monthly cash flow average $450

Property 3: 420k balance, 650 BPO pre garage, monthly cash flow $550 once garage is done 

Potential purchase: 375k purchase, 75 down payment, 3 units, currently rented. Development potential to add more units. Not in the worst shape, could wait a year or two to fix up. Great location. Would need at least 100k to update. 

Thanks!

Post: Cash Out Refi seasoning period

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

Hi all, I purchased a property in October -  interest only for 12 months, renovation escrow. The renovations are almost complete, it is my primary residence, also will be renting rooms. I'd like to cash out refi as soon as possible and it sounds like if I do another renovation loan I can get around the 6 month seasoning requirement. I'm converting the garage anyway, so a reno loan would probably work fine. Any advice on this, or other ideas I might not know about? Thanks! 

Post: Insurance & Tax increases have KILLED CASH FLOW

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

@Constance Chambers thank you for this post! I was prepared for the new property tax amount as a percentage of the sale price but I wasn't prepared for the supplemental tax invoice which is separate from escrow and I still don't fully understand how it is calculated. 

Post: Appraisal effect property tax?

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

Thank you @Doug Smith !

Post: Appraisal effect property tax?

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

Hi all, does an appraisal ordered by a mortgage company to reevaluate PMI ever end up making it to the tax assessors and raising the property tax?