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All Forum Posts by: Hannah Joy

Hannah Joy has started 26 posts and replied 88 times.

Post: Multi family buy/hold

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

Investment Info:

Large multi-family (5+ units) commercial investment investment.

Purchase price: $350,000
Cash invested: $250,000

Buy/hold 4plex purchase, adding 2 units.

Post: Offer accepted - do I go through with it?

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

Update: closed on the property with myself and my colleague on the title. She is going to be removing herself from the title shortly. I have an offer in for 110k for the renovations, and lenders working on a refi in 6-8 months for 250k to add 2 units and a new roof. We brought in an GC stand in as a third partner, so the returns will be slim but acceptable. Am I forgetting anything? 

Post: Net or Gross income used for DTI

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Erik Browning:

@Hannah Joy need to see that Schedule E on your taxes as well as leases to give you a rock solid, 100% answer. However, let's try. Assuming you are conventional.

Assuming you meet all the req's for THIS GUIDELINE, the $2150 of gross income from the boarders in your home can be up to 30% of your total qualifying income. So you don't have to do the math, your total income to count all of this would be $7,166.67/mo. If $2150 makes up more than 30% of your monthly income, you can only use up to whatever 30% of your total income is.

For the OPM property: first, you'll need 6 months of reserves since you're on title. Did you know that? You'll also need to count taxes and insurance against you on a monthly basis, which will affect your DTI. Also, you may want to start determining now how you will file your schedule E. If you spend a lot on repairs for this property, it may count against you for future purchases.

Wait...

Honestly I stopped after 2 sentences in because I just realized you have other stuff that's just too much to do over BiggerPockets - there's just too many variables. I also just now saw that your wage income is $3k and your OPM's 4plex income is around $2700, not accounting for your associated expenses, repairs, and depreciation... which means you may not be able to use that full boarder income.

Hannah I'd be happy to help over a phone call however over BP asking you for your tax information is cumbersome and invasive. Feel free to reach out for a comprehensive analysis and help you develop a plan for the next purchase moving forward.

@Erik Browning I would love to chat! Whats the best way to do that?  

Post: Net or Gross income used for DTI

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

@Erik Browning I have a primary - I rent out the rooms I don't occupy. I pay 1440, rental gross is 2150. I have 180k in equity there. I just bought a 4plex with someone else's money (long story), my name will be on the title alone, the income will be mine alone for tax purposes. I'll pay $3,298.87 monthly, while income will be 6000. Should have 100k in equity by this time next year. I also have 3000 in wage income. So long story short I'll have 11150 in gross income and 4738 in debt service which should be 44% DTI. ...Trying to figure out my odds for qualifying for a Heloc to be able to leverage the equity for a down payment on a third property, which is the goal. After deductions, my net income would be nowhere near helpful for this goal.

Post: Net or Gross income used for DTI

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

Do lenders typically use net or gross rental income when calculating DTI?

Post: Sweat equity and taxes

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Ashish Acharya:

You will have a phantom income of 1/2 of the equity. If you were only entitled to just the future profit, then you will be fine. If he first gets his initial capital back and you are not entitled to initial equity, you are fine. 

You need to work with professional to make this happen legally in the partnership, and it needs to be reported correctly via you capital accounts in your partnership. 


 We plan on renovating, and renting it out. So maybe this doesn't come into play unless we sell? 

Post: Sweat equity and taxes

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Jon Fletcher:

Although you don't contribute anything at purchase, will you be a 50% owner on the deed? (Or 50% member of the ownership LLC?)


 Yes 50% on the deed 

Post: Sweat equity and taxes

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27

Hi all, my friend is purchasing a fourplex all cash and adding me to the purchase as an additional buyer (I'll be doing the renovations and we split revenue and equity 50/50). If I don't contribute financially at all at purchase, are there tax repercussions I should know about? Capital gains vs income tax or something? 

Thanks! 

Post: Offer accepted - do I go through with it?

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
@John Morelli

 Sounds like you don't have a plan at all. You should definitely be seeking financing with a rehab component to it (whether rehab to rent or traditional fix & flip). Before the equity partnership can be determined, you need to figure out how you will find the project after acquisition. $175k is an awful lot of sweat equity. 

Haha, life happens while you plan. I should qualify for the refi, heloc, rehab/construction loan - whatever form it will take. What would be the benefit of a rehab loan vs a cash out refi? 

Post: Offer accepted - do I go through with it?

Hannah JoyPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Eureka CA
  • Posts 89
  • Votes 27
Quote from @Jim Parker:
Quote from @Hannah Joy:

We didn't think the offer would be accepted! 

There is an important teachable moment here.  An offer is a legally binding action when accepted and shouldn't be extended frivolously.  A plan should always be in-place and well researched in advance of extending any offer.

@Jim Parker Good point! The market has just been so crazy we've been putting offers in betting they won't go anywhere because there are such bidding wars