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All Forum Posts by: Grayson Spittel

Grayson Spittel has started 10 posts and replied 126 times.

Post: First Multifamily BRRRR Complete During COVID

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

Investment Info:

Small multi-family (2-4 units) buy & hold investment in Fayetteville.

Purchase price: $100,000
Cash invested: $35,000

This property is a quadplex in Fayetteville, NC that we closed on at the end of March 2020. Still at the time with such an unclear picture of what COVID would like - the lot being split into two parcels, rehab, full rent, and refinance all took place during the COVID crisis.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

I've been lucky enough to have a great friend and mentor who got me into Real Estate investing and invests in Fayetteville. Because of his work in the past, and my commitment to listening/reading/talking to anyone in order to learn, I was able to quickly set up my Core Team of a Realtor, Property Manager and Contractor. This was a great fit for a BRRRR deal due to the purchase price, ability to split the lot into two parcels each with it's own duplex, scale of rehab needed, and rent potential.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Daniel Kidd was the realtor we used through 5 Pillars Realty and he had a connection with a Wholesaler in the area - off market deal.

How did you finance this deal?

Cash purchase for $100,000 and another $38,000 in rehab needed, primarily on one of the duplexes.

How did you add value to the deal?

Complete rehab and renovation of 2 units, minor updates to the other 2. As I mentioned, both properties were previously on one lot. I was able to confirm the zoning and size of the lot prior to closing and arrange for a survey company to split the lot into two separate parcels.

What was the outcome?

After the reno we were able to establish a strong yearly rent in the 2 previously vacant units. When current leases are up within the other two, due to minor updates and effective PM in place, these will be able to be increased. Refi was successful and we were able to pull out $105,000 of the original $138,000 invested. $33,000 left in the deal. 20% of what the new ARV is (165K) This is what it's all about. Getting on base, not hitting a grand slam with the first property, but taking action!

Lessons learned? Challenges?

Definitely learned a lot with my first deal!! This property won't let me retire tomorrow, however, it is a snowball rolling downhill. Closing Costs for the Refi were doubled when I split the lots into two properties. While this did give me multiple exit strategies if needed, the "cap" on appraisals in the area made it so that the value of this split may not show up immediately on the front end. My Core Team has been established and any property moving forward in this area, we're better prepared!

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Daniel Kidd at 5 Pillars Realty was exactly what I needed - knowledgeable and helpful.
Spoat Jackson & Browne Property Management - RJ is quite literally the man.

Post: Material Facts / Misrepresentation on "amazing deals!"

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

Jesse, think this is a great post and very helpful. Biggest takeaways for me are (1) the importance of always running your own numbers and knowing what those numbers mean. (2) Putting aside any pride and surrounding yourself with people who know more than you about specific parts of the process. Let the experts do their expert job. 

Post: Granville County - Investors?

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

Wanted to know people's thoughts - if units being purchased are in Granville, County NC? Creedmoor, Franklinton, Henderson, Oxford areas. Look forward to connecting.

Post: Need help analyzing a rental property!! Any advice will help

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

@Raymond Santos

Hey Raymond - your figures should be % of your gross rent, not the property value as well. PM fees, vacancy, maintenance, capEx would be 10% of your Gross Rent, therefore cheaper than you have currently listed. Working from my phone currently so can’t run those updated figures for you, but if you have a house hack opportunity, with almost a 2% rent to home value ratio after you move out, and you’re able to live for “free” (or close to it) during this first year- two years, it could be a great opportunity for you. Where you will see the dividends and true return is when you’re no longer in the property, I’d suggest running those figures as well. Some of your expenses will be fixed, while others will increase proportionately.

All the best - Grayson

Post: Wilmington Investor Meet-Up

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

Wish I could be there - y'all have fun! Be there next time I'm in town.

Post: The "Infinite Return" BRRRR is BS

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

@Brian Hood I think that new investors "value their time" too much! As the BRRRR strategy is so appealing to new investors without large amounts of capital, trying to get the snowball rolling down hill with some momentum, my time being factored in is pennies through those first few deals compared to what is being learnt and the concrete financial returns. I think that of course as you become more experienced, your time becomes more valuable - but for so many people, myself included at this time, even though I'm committing 50 hours (just a round #) to my BRRRR investments, I wouldn't ever factor that in to my calculations at this time. The experience of learning and growing might actually be a cost savings!!

Just my 2 cents.

- Grayson

Post: Eastern North Coralina Investors

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

@Ryan Perez I have 4 units in Fayetteville - great cash flow area. Like Sean mentioned, it is not a great appreciation market. On the flip side, long term rentals in Wilmington are low cash flow, but the appreciation play is historically there. I'm not interested in anything solely based upon the hopes of appreciation. However, the STR is certainly a possibility at Carolina/Kure Beach/ some of the surrounding areas. IMO though, that is not passive investing at all. You're building yourself a job. Totally based upon what you're interested in and your goals.

Post: In desperate need of good Property Management - Fayetteville, NC

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

@Alexander Felice FACTS. @Marc Estepa reach out to RJ and you've already taken a great step in putting good people around you. 

Post: Is it okay to ever waive the inspection?

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

@Simon Obas

Hey Simon - there is no doubt that you will get more offers accepted if you waive the inspection... however, there is also little doubt that you will miss things that cost you way more money in the future. My thought is that if the deal is good enough, the inspection isn’t going to be a deal breaker. If that is the go/no go, then it’s an easy decision to take what you learned and move on to the next deal.

Post: Advice for a newbie

Grayson SpittelPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Wake Forest, NC
  • Posts 128
  • Votes 131

@John Rumsey David’s exactly right about The Five Pillars team. @Daniel Kidd is great and can help you with anything. Also, while delayed financing is dried up at the moment, MC Mortgage in Wilmington, NC specializes in helping investors and they know their stuff backwards and forwards.

Best of luck - all the best

Grayson