All Forum Posts by: Gavin D.

Here's my two cents....  I'm a software developer.  I have developed a couple entirely autonomous programs that  manage specific marketing/advertising life cycles.   Those programs do generate revenue, but by no stretch of the imagination, are they laying golden eggs.   I speak about these programs and their functionality with absolutely no one.  Why?  There are plenty of good developers out there that can reproduce the functionality, and my little niche would become very quickly saturated. 
Now, why did I bring this up?  The software/platform you are looking for absolutely exists, but for the same reason I'm not peddling my software to the public, neither is the owner of that software.  

So what about the software that seems like its what you are looking for?  Where you are going to want to focus your attention is on the leads/skiptracing facets. 

1st, unique and proprietary lead sources are hard to come by and expensive.  The majority of data that is available through nearly all marketing lead systems comes from the same place. Aggregated hacked database records. Its quite easy to get your hands on hacked data like the linkedin database or the experian database. If you were to merge those databases on say... email address, and then, toss in a third point of reference like state voter records which are publicly available, you could easily start your own lead company.  Lots of people have done it..... really... pretty much every lead company you would consider buying leads/data from. 

So where is the truly useful data that is updated often and would provide accurate and recent data (on a mass scale) for skip tracing? Credit Bureaus, Utility data, Cell Carrier Data and USPS... mostly. Utility data, cell carrier data, and usps, your best bet is corelogic.....$$$  And credit bureau data... $$$ as well.

Now I'm not saying that every email address and phone number on every lead list is bad.... Some people, the responsible ones, keep their cell phone numbers, and email addresses for many years.  Those people will not need to be skip traced, as you will have the correct phone number/email address.  It is all the other people who just got a new cell phone number, or a new email address you are trying to reach, before everyone else who has paid for 3 year old cell numbers....

What does this all mean?  Unless you are spending a lot... and I mean a lot, of money on skip tracing with the majors, the information that is spit back from a "skip tracing" service is just different old data, which has most likely been provided by someone else trying to skip the same person.

Now to make matters worse, a company that develops software to do many tasks...ie leads/skip/crm/email/sms is not a specialist in any of those tasks, and are likely farming out the service to the lowest cost source. 

For example, lets take a look at sms.. thats an easy one.    A crm software development company offers sms functionality in their software.  Unless they also happen to be a telecom company, and are recognized by nanpa, as well as have sip trunking capacity (for voip sms), or happen to have a crap ton of gsm sim modems (true sms) and have been delegated their own npa-nxx (area code/local code) set, the number you purchase to send sms messages through their crm is actually being provided by another telecom company.  The crm company is likely just reselling the number and the sms service to you.  

While email functionality can be provided directly through the software, to my knowlege corelogic, at&t, and equifax do not develop crm software so.... the  sms, leads, and skip tracing, need to be sourced.

So, my suggestion... Buy your lists from where ever you like. Skip trace on your own...ie, Search Google for names addresses of people you are interested in digging deeper on.  And use marketing automation platform/software to handle your email/sms goals...  you got 2 choices... hubspot, and mautic ..  Hubspot is a little pricey, mautic you are going to need to learn how to build and manage a webserver.  (both will use outside sms services with api integration for sending smss)    Or... learn to code...

BTW... im not trying to discourage you from your goals. Unfortunately, the real estate game is quite heavily saturated with people/software trying to make money on people.... not houses.  I was a mortgage broker for 6 years and have been a software dev specializing in data for 13+... I am simply trying to shed a little light on what is actually happening behind the curtain, and sincerely wish you the best of luck!

My question regarding the training is this.  If the method is so effective, and produces such a profitable result,  why is the coach spending his time doing anything other than practicing what he has been teaching?

In fairness, my distrust of "coaches" is not derived from any conversation I have had with any, but solely on the premise of their business model. My rationale is this: 

KFC will sell its "Secret Recipe" when no one is buying their chicken.

i will expand on that.... Some people/ entrepreneurs will work side gigs for additional income after they have exhausted all available, and profitable hours that can be devoted to their primary gig. Primary gig keeps the lights on...aka pays more. But No one, and I mean no one, nurtures a new business venture with the intention of exchanging more profitable "primary gig hours for less profitable "side gig" hours. Imagine taking unpaid time off from your lucrative day job so you could work at Wendy's... If you are thinking that I was equating Wendy's to coaching...nope, Wendy's is the opposite of coaching in my example.

The response from the coach on this one, i find a bit odd.  He is doing a great job of explaining his position justifying his stance, but seems to be blaming you for not implementing what he has taught.  I believe that taking some of the responsibility for not impressing upon you the importance of following his direction to the "T" would display humility and, at least from my perspective, give me more confidence that he is constantly trying to improve on the product which he is selling.

In fairness to the coach however, did you take notes? Did you attempt the method enough times to be comfortable with overcoming any objections you may be presented with?  While humility is important in sales, so is confidence ie... you have to believe in what your selling. Ask yourself honestly, were you confident in your delivery?  

You wanted input... ok...   
All in all.. Not a bad plan... 
1. List source is not a bad provider.  Just heavily utilized, so you have a ton of competition (regardles of how you filter the data).   Suppliment List source with some data sources that are as well scoured...Here is a hint on large scale data that is free...  Voter Data.  
2.  For your texting... try didforsale   InTX, I think its 4/10 of a cent per text, phone numbers are cheap, like $2 per month per line....and if your hiring people from upwork, get someone to write you a simple calling script for their IVR capabilities, so you can automate your cold calling..
3. Regarding equity and propelio,  The way they get their equity data (well the way everyone but the credit bureau get equity data.. )   Recorder data..   Take the Date the deed was recorded, look up the feds prime interest rate for that date... add 1 point,  get the number of months since the deed was recorded, and the sale price of the property, calculate the amortization schedule for a loan equal to the sale price of the property, calculate the remaining principle left on the loan if they paid their mortgage every month since the seed was recorded.     
4. automate your follow ups.   Check into Mautic, its free marketing automation software like hubspot.
Well done sir!

  

@Matthew Rescott
Actually, I'm not a real estate investor.  The odds are too low.  Well,... for my personality type at least.  I went to school for physics and computer science, then did what most do.... got into a field that was as far from my education as possible.  I became a mortgage broker. I did that until i realized that until the market crashed, which was conveniently synchronized with the crash of my tolerance for speaking with people.  Computers tend to communicate with far more relevant context, and appreciate bluntness a bit more than people.   

I found biggerpockets when I was looking for my primary residence.  I used it, along with my experience in real estate, and programming skills for a "one and done" deal.  I looked at houses for 4 months.  I could not tell you how many. Probably 3 everyday.  Then when a shady Fannie Mae realtor slipped up, I leveraged her misstep for the opportunity to conduct business on a "fair" playing field with Fannie Mae. 

I spent quite literally every cent I had, to pay for a house in cash.  Then borrowed against my old 401k for the funds to renovate it. (well, nearly completely renovate it...lol.. It never ends..) .    I had 3 contractors out for bids, which was enough to make me hate speaking with people again.  So during the days for over 1 year, I destroyed myself re-wiring, re-plumbing, ripping out floor joists, tiling, hanging drywall, installing new HVAC units..etc..  Then coding at night.  All said and done.  50k for the house, 35k in renovations costs, worked out to about 2800sqft of hell valued at roughly 220k.

I know... sounds crazy... It is.  And trust me, the reality, most which my wife tells me I have blacked out, is even crazier.  Black mold, coal dust, asbestos, you name it, I fought it here.  I now have ABSOLUTELY no fear of crawling underneath a 2 story 1900's house and having to exhale to fit under a floor joist. The neighbors think I'm nuts.  Standing on a roof sledging bricks from a chimney will do that.  A little nugget of advice for those who would be so inclined to knock down a chimney... Once you have knocked down what is above the roof and working in the attic, you can no longer use a full size sledge hammer if you like having ceilings.  Make sure to tether the mini-sledge to yourself as to prevent it from falling down the chimney which you are knocking down... I ran to Ace Hardware twice before figuring that one out. But on the bright side, now I have 3 mini-sledgehammers.

In the four months I spent looking for a house, I scraped 3 counties tax records and sent mailers to 4000 people. I met nearly every realtor/wholesaler/flipper/"so called" investor, in the area.     I only met 1 real real estate investor.  He bought up destroyed houses and renovated them. Even when he was done,no one WANTS these houses...they settle for these houses.  Renovated 800-1200sqft  in sketchy areas, for 30k.   He had 3 crews of meth heads and drunks working on 3 houses going on the same street.  The work was crap, and I he knew it.  I know he knew it... he told me.  "I don't think you are looking for the kind of house I could sell you, they are all crappy.",  Verbatim.  

So what did I learn?. Real estate is a numbers game, and success requires a pickup truck, and a willingness to get very very dirty.   The more dilapidated houses you look at, the more opportunities you will have to turn a profit renovating a  dilapidated houses.  The law of averages applies to everything in life.

Why am I here?  Everyone likes the sound of their own voice (or text). 

By the way.  I had a question for you.... I've been a programmer now for 12 years. I can not imagine how adwords and real estate investing are compatible.  Have you ever checked the county records  to see how many houses the "so called" investors that use that system are?   I've never used the adwordsnerds system, but I have researched some of  the people who claim to be successful investors in the past.  You seem like a smart guy.... save your money, look at a  lot of houses.  

brandon... here ya go,data that I scraped for a client who stiffed me....happy free data day.... I will pm you the password... its an encrypted xls...  Its safe.
https://www.filehosting.org/file/details/765291/jackson_co.xlsx

I do not know who "Lou" is. (Not that I should...) As a preface to what is to follow, Lou may be a decent guy.   While I have yet to meet a truly honest "Coach"... Lou may be.    My distrust of "coaches" is not derived from any conversation I have had with any, but solely on the premise of their business model.  My rationale is this:

KFC will sell its "Secret Recipe" when no one is buying their chicken.  

i will expand on that.... Some people/ entrepreneurs will work side gigs for additional income after they have exhausted all available, and profitable hours that can be devoted to their primary gig.  Primary gig keeps the lights on...aka pays more. But No one, and I mean no one, nurtures a new business venture with the intention of exchanging more profitable "primary gig hours for less profitable "side gig" hours.   Imagine taking unpaid time off from the ER so you could work at Wendy's...     If you are thinking that I was equating Wendy's to coaching...nope, Wendy's is the opposite of coaching in my example. 

I believe that people usually turn into "coaches" when they are no longer making money doing what they are now considering teaching.  When entirely assembled, the question that I have not yet heard a valid answer for, looks like this...   If  a "coach" conducts business so profitably within their industry,why start teaching the competition all about their "secret reipe"?

I can do it, well, most likely....  I have yet to find a county who's websites I was unable to exploit.   But are you sure you want foreclosure data?  From my experience, (by which I mean from the experience of my clients regarding success on scraped data) foreclosure data, regardless of the level of data mining  it has been subjected to, wont tell you which foreclosure sale date will experience an "everyone but YOU overslept" phenomena.  In order of preference, they like Inheritance data ( ie, deceased spouse data), pre-delinquent data ( people who have 3 months or less to pay their tax bill), and the one thing I can not scrape, gambling debt data.  

First off, semantically  speaking, your discussion lacks a definition for the word "Legal"  While there are contracts in which a breach is a punishable offense, I am assuming you mean "Legal" in the "right to seek compensation for damages" sense.   Example, "Non-Disclosure Agreement".     Lets say you were to sign Non-Disclosure Agreement, and then disclose the confidential information which was shared with you.  If your act of disclosing the information adversely effected the party for whom you agreed to hold confidential information for, that party could legally seek damages. 

@MichaelQuarles So the one-offs will call you back next year when they have blown half the cash on a new gaming computer  then gave the rest up for a down payment on a new land contract with  a new and improved 2 year balloon technology?   
Yeah my software does as well. i mean MINE... as in I wrote it... additionally,
users can  purchase DID's  (phone numbers)  for $3 +$1/mo 

for use in their Text/VM broadcasting/robocalling campaings
which conveniently, can be populated with names and data from my DB's

which have over 200+million names/phones/emails/demographics/  social media user data, voter records, property info, deed data...etc  (all of which I have accumulated from providing scraped data, and append services for clients for a number of years)  total out right now at about 15GB  of Mysql DB's  check the google cloud image below....

Obviously hooks up with both hubspot, as well as mautic.... as to allow for dragging in lead data directly to marketing automation, which works out well, when you when the lists that users buy.... from me... in my software,  already have FB/Twitter usernames, phones / emails / demographics / employer emails.. and da-da-da  ... linkedin account info.... 
as well as property tax data (which i do scrapes for free for users now...)   and Inheritance data that I aggregated from obituary.com and match to county tax records...  (2 month spool deceased spouse data, none of that probate crap)....

they crate dialer campaigns that use google speech api, and requires no telemarketrs, so long as they write out their "form feedable" call script, which can customize both the the robocalls, and the vmbroadcasts, by lead.

 (so "Helo i mr. mark, we were interested in speaking with you about your property at 111 somestreet...blah...blah,..) instead of  ("Helo there I wanted to speak with you because I buy houses and... impersonal, impersonal, everyone gets same prerecorded crap"), 

each user can drop up to 25k emails per day...from my smtp servers with their IP's

I'd get into the twilio api functionality.. but..

only a couple property guys use my software...im sure more would  but, I am not allowed to accept new user...  hence... no plug here....  software is sold already.  To a big corp, but not too big...

anyway...  none of the users, (which trust me isnt too too many.. like 30) case about ACTUALLY speaking with potential customers regardless of why they use my software...  dealing with people takes too much time...

County water gets shut off and turned on at the drop of a dime.  Literally. as well... water shut off for 6 moths is common with properties that ....have been on the market for six months.    Sorry Kyle...  Now Electric D/C's  and mail route abandoned reports.....