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All Forum Posts by: Brian Garrett

Brian Garrett has started 69 posts and replied 2926 times.

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by @Isiah Ferguson:

@Brian Garrett 8% giving worst case but i believe the rates were between 6%-8% depending on your personal credit. You may want to give them a call and make sure they serve your state as well. 

@Jay Hinrichs @Michaela G. Now that's forward thinking from both you guys. I didn't think that but good points. Ill analyze it from a numbers stand point as far as cash flow and ROI. If it make sense ill weight my option and mybe refi quicker than I expected. Thank you.

When you say the rate is based off personal credit are you referring to your credit score?

I'm assuming so since they don't need proof of income?

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by @Michaela G.:
Originally posted by @Brian Garrett:
Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

@Isiah Ferguson

I have just refinanced with B2R, which are now Finance of America. They lend based on assets and their rates are in the 7-8% range.

If you look at the big picture: You can work the next year in a minimum wage job and then refinance your proporty or you can find good enough deals that still give you cash flow after you refinanced at a 7-8% rate and maybe have another 5 or 6 properties in that year that might give you the same cashflow of what the one property without loan would have. 

So, it might be a higher rate, but your cashflow is the same and you now have 5 or 6 appreciating assets, instead of 1 .

This is exactly how I'm looking at it as well. Does Finance of America only do the refinancing or do they handle the front end purchase also? 

 I think they do, but I haven't used them for that, so I don't know. But you'd probably have to put down 25% and that's where you'll be limiting yourself on cash. 

I don't mind 20-25% down payments. I have enough cash to accommodate for that and since I'll be cash out refinancing anyways and pulling that cash back out in 6-12 months it's not a big deal.

Post: Cash-Out Refinance or HELOC

Brian GarrettPosted
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Would someone mind explaining the difference between a cash out refinance and a HELOC for me? I'm new to REI and still in the learning and education phase. Thank you!

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by :

@Brian Garrett I just refinanced some properties with B2r, now Finance of America and while my rate is in the 7-8% range, it allows me to pull out cash, without having to prove my income and keep buying, while the buying is good and keep going.

This sounds like a great plan and exactly what I'm looking for. I asked in my previous response already but does Finance of America only handle the refinancing or the front end purchase as well?

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

@Isiah Ferguson

I have just refinanced with B2R, which are now Finance of America. They lend based on assets and their rates are in the 7-8% range.

If you look at the big picture: You can work the next year in a minimum wage job and then refinance your proporty or you can find good enough deals that still give you cash flow after you refinanced at a 7-8% rate and maybe have another 5 or 6 properties in that year that might give you the same cashflow of what the one property without loan would have. 

So, it might be a higher rate, but your cashflow is the same and you now have 5 or 6 appreciating assets, instead of 1 .

This is exactly how I'm looking at it as well. Does Finance of America only do the refinancing or do they handle the front end purchase also? 

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Isiah Ferguson  lima's rate is only too high if you can actually get a loan at a better rate if you cannot.. then at least you have an option to pull cash without waiting you have to analyze lost opportunity costs as it relates to a 5% loan and a 8% loan....

it could be you find a smoking deal and the difference in interest rates are simply the cost of doing business to secure your next great deal.

 Exactly how I see it as well.

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by @Isiah Ferguson:

I'm currently almost in the same siuation as you. I had the funds save up from playing professional sports only for 1 year and released. Initially I was going to banks and trying to get a loan. No bank would give me the loan because l only played for 1 year and I only had 1 year of W2. Most banks reqiure 2 years of W2. I went ahead an cashed out on a duplex for 100k. Probably wasn't the smartest decision but I'm determind to get the ball rolling. I'm looking to refinance to get my cash back out and to start the BRRRR strategy to expand my protfolio. Now, I'm collecting monthly rent for about 7 months up to date and also I started a full time job which is a little above minimum wage, which I've been working for 4 months. Hopefully after 1 year instead of 2 years of working and collecting rent I can refinance, get my cash back at 75% or 80% LTV and start to expand my portfolio. The only other option I knew of was Lima One Captial bank. They will lend to lenders based on their assets they have. Lima One will do a 30Y/F but their interest rates are at 8% in which I asked the BP family and people responded saying that was too high of a rate.

This is great information Isiah. Thanks for sharing. You sound like you are in a very similar situation as myself only you are actually better off since you have 1 year of W-2 and you have a job now. We seem to have the same strategy in mind. The problem is I don't want to wait 12 months or possibly longer to cash our refinance to get my 75-80% LTV back out and grow my portfolio. Lima One sounds like it could be a good option. Was it strictly 8% interest or was there more to the deal? I don't think 8% interest alone would be enough to scare me away IF it was my only option.

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

That's what ground floor and others do: They lend on purchase and fix, if your LTV is low enough, so that you don't have to use your cash. And when it's finished you'll refinance and pay off the loan.

Refinance how and through who when it's finished with rehab?

That's the whole problem. I need to make sure I can cash out refinance WITHOUT having to prove income in order to utilize the BRRRR strategy and not end up getting stuck in one property.

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by @Brian Pulaski:

What do you think past 2 years of race returns look like? You must have filed and showed something, correct? There has to be some kind of income coming in, and that's what the mortgage broker will ask for (along with other things).

Yes I did file like I do every year but no there was no income. I did not work the last 2 years therefore I don't have any proof of income to show. Otherwise there would be no issue and this discussion would not be taking place. The problem lies in the fact I cannot show proof of income.

Post: BRRRR without proof of income?

Brian GarrettPosted
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Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

If it's a fixer upper and you're getting a great deal, you could try to go with crowdfunding through Groundfloor or similar platforms. Purchase and fix-up and then you can refinance, while you still have funds in the bank

I'm trying to get lending from the beginning not only on the refinance. 

Otherwise I would just use my own cash to buy outright but even then I'm still not sure how I would be able to cash out refinance because I'd be in the same shoes as now.

Can you please explain your suggestion a little further so I can understand better?