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All Forum Posts by: Craig Barnthouse

Craig Barnthouse has started 3 posts and replied 31 times.

Post: Do you buy "Vacant Dwelling Policy" or just cross your fingers?

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

On the properties I have purchased, renovated and flipped to date, I have NOT bought "Vacant Dwelling" insurance. This was a huge oversight because I have funded everything with cash on hand and could have suffered a total loss of my investment if something catastrophic would have occurred 

I am about to close on another and will be buying this policy from here on out. I don't yet have a quote for this property, I know it's not worth the risk of being uninsured.

Do you flippers and rehabbers buy insurance on the vacant dwellings? If not, how do you manage your risk?

Post: How can so many do all-cash offers?

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

I am certain there are a ton of "creative" if not "deceptive" cash offers out there. All 3 of my purchases have been true cash from cash on hand. It goes against my intuition to use any type of borrowing when I have the cash in a money market account that I can use. I do impose limits on myself as to how much cash I want to have tied up at any one time.

My first deal had a self imposed limit of exposing no more than $40k of my own money. The second deal I raised my limit to $80k and the current deal I have once again raised my limit to investing a maximum of $95k of on hand cash. As I get more comfortable with these deals and more confident of the ARV's I will continue to raise my exposure limit until I reach $200k. Can't see having more than that tied up though.

Conversely to the OP, I have been somewhat surprised by the number of people who go to extreme lengths to finance deals when they are long time investors. The ROI on most deals far surpasses what is likely in other investments so why not use your own $$$?

Post: First Rehab Deal need Help!

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Anthony,

Are you likely to complete the renovation yourself or would you be hiring a contractor/labor to do the work?

Post: How to determine ARV if ....

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Hi Jesse,

Some things just don't have a quick and easy answer. This is one of them. The absolute best information I have found on analyzing and determining ARV is found in "The Book on Flipping Houses" Chapter 8. Yeah,,,,you'll have to read a bit and then apply the principles to this particular property but I think then you'll have a mindset and aptitude for valuing your deals. The information in the book helped me tremendously. As stated at the beginning of the chapter, "it's as much an art as it is a science". Please feel free to shoot me a note if I can be of any help to you. I have no interest in that side of town as it's too far away from my area of preference.

Post: Reasonable ROI

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Hi John,

I am by no means an "experienced" flipper as I have only completed 2 and about to beign the 3rd. However on the first two I had drastically different ROI's. The first was just over 69% and the second was 29%. These numbers are high because I provided nearly all of the labor and they were both bought at auction and seriously under valued.

My pro-forma going forward is build on a projected 23% ROI with which I will be very satisfied. That will out perform all other investments that I have.

One suggestion is to keep really accurate records and account for things correctly. No point in trying to fool yourself by fiddling with the numbers.

Post: Step by step is proving fruitful

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Cierra,

You are absolutely correct in that for me, it's all about learning and then putting into action what I have learned. I'm no smarter or more talented than anyone else. Just did my homework and took things slowly and methodically. 

Thanks for your comment.

Post: Just Introducing Myself

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Hello Matt. Welcome and good luck to you.

Post: Step by step is proving fruitful

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Hello to all,

I just recently introduced myself to the forum and decided that I’ll take a moment to provide some background and forward looking information as to my involvement in the R/E investing world. Perhaps it may be useful to someone else with a similar position in life.

I am 49 years old. Once I arrived in my 20’s I entered the world of retail management and spent many years moving through the ranks of various retail companies, mostly apparel. In about 1998 when I was about 34 I made my way to the world of corporate Convenience Store / Retail Gasoline management with a large regional chain here in FL. After a time I progressed, changed companies and ultimately bought my own group of 11 locations in early 2011. I rehabbed the operations and sold them late in 2012.

It was then that I decided that I could either invest my cash in one of many markets, start a new enterprise or take control of my investments by actively managing them myself. My wife and I agreed that we were exhausted with “high risk” situations that demand a ton of capital and that we would much prefer to manage and control our own investments. Hence the beginning of my research into real estate investing.

Through my business experience I had been involved in 40 or 50 buy and/or sell transactions of retail locations totaling just over $16 million so I had a good sense of deals and terminology but these were mostly deals done with other peoples’ money to the benefit of other people. We decided that this endeavor would be handled with the same amount of preparation, research, trepidation and care that I would have used in any former business.

So I began reading and talking with other’s who were involved in the residential real estate world. Not realtors...only investors who were using their own money and overseeing their own projects. I soon began talking with a guy who was doing just that. Except he owns and rents 19 apartments. All in very low end neighborhoods with very high tenant turnover. My wife and I were pretty sure we wanted nothing to do with being landlords but this guy had done several deals including his own rehab on everything and there was a lot to learn from him. Due to the nature of his properties, he had good monthly cash flow but not enough to amass any operating profit. In order for him to do new deals he needed to source funding. I had cash. It was a match made in heaven.

So to get started I agreed that I would do a 50/50 partnership on one house and I would also provide 50% of the labor on the rehab along with handling all of the administrative work on the project. Specifically all budgeting, tracking and record-keeping. My goal was to get completely immersed in all aspects of a property so as to get a “hands-on” education with very little risk. The catch........I agreed to do this on a vacant, boarded up foreclosure that had been vandalized and left for dead. We bought the house online at an astounding price of $11,650. After liens and wire fees the total purchase price was $13,160.90. My share was 50%.

We immediately began the rehab and literally did everything possible by ourselves. We only outsourced the roof, (which was a simple torch down), some general electrical work to get things safe and passable and the installation of the HVAC system. The previous system had long ago vanished.

Rehab was very involved with having to tear out the bathroom down to the floor joists, building new supports for the joists, running all new hot and cold water lined into the house to all points of distribution, all sheetrock work including ceiling repairs as a result of serious roof leaks, new sub-floor in kitchen, all new cabinets and appliances and of course all normal lights, fixtures and other cosmetic requirements. We also installed new landscaping in the front yard and painted the full interior and exterior of the house. This was a ton of work and luckily we are both pretty well versed in such things.

Because we did almost all of the work on this ourselves, carefully sourced the labor for those things we needed help on and purchased materials in the most penny pinching method you can imagine, our total rehab costs were $14,568.36 making our total investment $27,729.26.

This was a very tough neighborhood but one that did have a good number of owner/occupants scattered among a fair number of renters. We engaged a realtor who had specific experience in the area and soon sold the house for $52,000. After closing costs our proceeds were $47,071.24 for a profit of $19,341.98 or an ROI before taxes of nearly 69.8%. That will get ANYONE'S attention. This was an amazing and invaluable learning experience for me and encouraged me to continue my learning.

About 2 months after closing on the first deal I moved on to a solo deal for about twice the price of the first one which was brought to me by the realtor who sold the listing mentioned above. She had a client who was approved for a HUD loan and a semi-rural property whose seller refused to take a HUD loan. I stepped in, reached an agreement, bought the property, rehabbed to conform to HUD, (a story in and of itself), and sold to the couple resulting in a profit before taxes of $18,408.31 or 28.9%. The lessons learned on this one were again worth more than I could have imagined. One of which was the realization that I could handle this without a partner.

With these two deals under my belt I have concluded that I will keep on trucking with a couple of serious modifications. I will no longer provide a significant amount of labor on the rehabs. After these two houses I needed two should operations and just can’t weather any more injuries. Additionally, it is clear that with intelligent decision making there is plenty of money to be made and still engage professional contractors. Not to mention the amount of time I will save in the turn-around of properties.

I now have the third unit under contract and this is yet again a bigger project with a more involved rehab. Thanks to “The Book on Flipping Houses”, I have refined a bit of my methodology and feel like I’m positioned for a successful project. This will involve a GC, formal SOW, a proper schedule and a little labor from me. It will be really interesting to see how affected the numbers are from one approach to the other.

So that’s my place in the business as of now. Hope it provides some sort of assistance for someone.

Post: Ready for deals in St. Augustine, FL

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Hello Pennie,

Also add me to your contact list as a potential buyer in the Jacksonville and beaches markets. St. Augustine would be fine for the right project.

My specific interests are with rehab and resell at retail. No rentals/long term holds for me at this time. 

I am completely self employed as an investor and do all my deals with on-hand capital so I'm usually a quick close if there are no title issues.

Post: Late introduction from Jacksonville Beach, FL

Craig BarnthousePosted
  • Investor
  • Jacksonville Beach, FL
  • Posts 31
  • Votes 7

Thanks Andrew.