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All Forum Posts by: Frank B.

Frank B. has started 4 posts and replied 117 times.

Post: Starting your own Property Management Biz?

Frank B.Posted
  • Consultant
  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
  • Votes 34
Originally posted by @Willow Loney:

I've been thinking about starting a property management company but just to manage my own properties.  If it's a separate entity I could expense it and reduce my tax burden.   I'm just starting to think about this and see how to go about it or if it's even legal.  

How would that reduce your tax burden? Anything income your management company has will be taxed as well, and not as passive income. 

Post: Comparing Prices and Rent

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
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You can check on any real estate app/site. We use Zillow. The Zillow estimate for value and rent are terrible so I wouldn't use those. 

But you can use it to see all the properties listed for rent and look at the photos and price. That will give you a feel for what people are asking for in your area. 

Post: How important is Rate of Return

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
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Originally posted by @Ryan Baker:

I'm currently looking for my first rental property in the Sarasota/Bradenton (particularly Bradenton due to costs) area. I've been searching through the MLS for 2/2 or 3/2, 1100-1400 square foot properties in the $120-150K price range. What I seem to be finding is rental rates of about 1400-1600 a month for this type of property. This tends to create a Cash return of about 5-7%, and cash flow 150-200 a month. My question is: if you're getting your desired cash flow, who cares what your CoC or Cap rates are? Is it completely ridiculous to consider buying something like this? I've heard multiple versions of "criteria" involving similar requirements for SFH, which require cash flows of $100-200 a month on various podcasts and posts. So if this criteria is met, does it really matter what the return is on a SFH rental?

Coc return is important. You can probably get any cash flow you want on a property but borrowing less to buy it, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. 

Coc return is a way to consider how much you invested to get the cash flow you achieved. 

eg $300/mo is positive cash flow, but I wouldn't pay $100k cash to get it. 

Post: All Cash Deal? Why doe it matter.

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
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Originally posted by @Michael Upshur:

I just spoke to a broker in regards to a property and he stated that it needed to be an "All cash deal".

Aren't all deals basically all cash to the broker and seller, unless I am asking for seller financing.

What does it matter to them were it comes from?

Curious.....

Yes--all deals are cash, but when they say "cash" deal it generally means the deal closing is not contingent on the buyer's ability to obtain financing for the purchase. 

Post: Analyzing

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
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Originally posted by @Julius King:

so you are saying Zillow's zestimates & rent estimates are close enough to do an analysis?

The zestimate is terrible and should not be relied on. However, you can use Zillow to show recent sales to get comps to determine a property's value. 

Post: Discovered neat/easy way to pay off 30 year loans in 20 yrs

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
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Originally posted by @Chris Mason:
Originally posted by @Jacob Pereira:

I love the idea, but for me it's a bigger question of whether you SHOULD pay off your mortgages early. Like you said, mortgage rates are between 3.5-4.75% for residential loans on 30 year mortgages, when you then factor in an expected average inflation rate of about 2% and the fact that you can deduct interest that's practically free money. I would say if you have no plans to invest further, paying off mortgages early is a good way to get a guaranteed (albeit small) return, but if you're planning on investing more, be it in notes, real estate, stocks etc., you're likely to get a significantly better return there.

Additionally, if you're interested in paying your loan off early, why not go for the 15-year mortgage? You'll shave at least a point off your mortgage rate. It might be a little harder on the front end to cover the increased payments, but in the end you'd pay significantly less interest than you would following your method.

Sorry if I sound like a sour-puss contrarian; I actually really love these kinds of posts that give real actionable advice, but I also like to hear and offer alternate views.

 Those are all valid points, and polite disagreement is generally productive disagreement!

Re: "why not go with 15 year?" and "why pay it down early at all?"

  • All the conventional wisdom on BP says "cash flow is king." This lets you pay it down aggressively, but at no point of your ownership will you be cash flow negative. I do see properties cash flow positive out-the-gate on 15 year fixed financing even here in the Bay Area, but it's fairly rare.
  • Incidentally, if you plan on future acquisitions, anything that threatens your ability to qualify for future mortgages is a threat to your income and success. When we calculate DTI, we look at your minimum required payments and will not ding you for paying extra. If you're just getting started, calculated DTI (even if it's not "real" because you are paying extra) is critical, and 30 year fixed will make for a sexier calculated DTI. For established REI, DTI always takes care of itself and this isn't much of an issue. It's newbies starting out where 15 year fixed can hurt expansion ability.
  • Next, and what I say will always be weighted towards what I know so forgive me if it's another mortgage thing, coming this summer PITI reserve requirements will change for REI. It will be based not on 6 months of PITI, but based on the outstanding mortgage balances and the number of financed properties you own (more properties = higher reserve requirement for all properties). Paying down mortgages early will grant you additional purchasing power even if your minimum required payment is not changing. So for an REI there will be a brand new opportunity cost, coming very soon, of maintaining perpetually high mortgage balances. Do you want to be ahead of guideline changes limiting your acquisition opportunities, or risk getting that "oh sorry Mr Smith it looks like guidelines changed, loan denied" phone call?
  • I agree that some folks have insider knowledge on the stock market or elsewhere, and for them they should just look at mortgage rate v ROI in that other area of investment. No one is going to deny you the ability to buy a stock because of perpetually high mortgage balances. But see above if your goal is to continually expand your RE empire.
  • Incidentally, bullet point #3 above means you should consider not applying OP advice equally to all mortgages across all properties. If you have five financed properties, instead of doing 1.0025 on each, do 1.0125 on one of them. Net effect will be the same,  but you're freeing up a Fannie Mae "number of financed properties" slot every 7-8 years instead of every 20 years. 
  • And, finally,"how many mortgage free properties do you own and how much real estate equity do you have?" is not a crazy way to gauge wealth and proximity to financial freedom. There are certainly more aggressive, and more accurate ways, but this is not a crazy way if we just want to (for mah fellow former Marines out there) "Keep It Simple, Stupid."

If people have 30 year loans at 4%, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to pay them down early. 

Most people are probably able to get more than 4% return on cash through real estate or other investing activities, and in that scenario they would be better off using the cash to get a higher return. 

Post: I NEED PROOF OF FUNDS ASAP!

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
  • Posts 122
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Originally posted by @Kenneth Nyanjui:

I have a realtor ready to submit my offer on a property, and a buyer lined up. I need a free proof of funds letter as soon as possible. Can anyone help me with this or better give me referral? 

Print out your bank statement that shows you have the required amount of cash. That's all there is to it. 

It's just a way that when you offer cash to show that you actually have the cash to make a cash offer. 

Post: BRRRR problems

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
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Originally posted by @Tim Richardson:

Hi creative real estate investors. I am trying to pursue the BRRRR strategy for both single family and a multifamily 4 plex here in Salem, Oregon, but am running into the refi issues. I'm wanting to pay cash for a property, fix up, but lenders are telling me they can only loan up to the initial purchase price (assuming it is only up to 70% apprased value), even if the appraisal comes in well over that. So I'm still left with cash in when the refi takes place. Has anyone successfully used this method and gotten their cash back? I'm all ears.

Do you have a lender that will work with you to get purchase AND rehab costs back at refi? Thanks.

If you are using a conventional loan, there is usually a seasoning requirement before you can refinance based on ARV. It can vary from bank to bank but 6 months is a common requirement.

Post: Executing the BRRR Stragegy

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
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Originally posted by @Mike Sattem:

@Erick Garske,

if you are within 6 months of purchase and own less than 10 residential properties you can utilize the delayed financing exception under Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac. These will allow you to use a traditional Fannie/Freddie mortgage with a 30 year fixed at 4.5-4.875%

I don't think delayed financing allows you to finance the rehab cost. 

@Erick Garske How many banks have you talked to? You may be able to find better rates and terms if you shop around a bit. 

Post: Deal analysis

Frank B.Posted
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  • Oklahoma City, OK
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What is the total market rent for the property?

What is the cost to fix the place up?

How much do you want it to cash flow?

What % annual return on your cash invested do you want to get?

Those would determine the price you can pay for it.