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All Forum Posts by: Ethan Cooke

Ethan Cooke has started 5 posts and replied 226 times.

Post: Starting out in real estate (passive long term vs short term)

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Jacob Fafard - You’re right: owning property and managing property (especially for short-term rentals) are two very different things. I own 3 single-family homes in San Francisco and I run a furnished rental business for business travelers by sub-leasing other people’s homes (AKA rental arbitrage). 

Buying properties for long-term rentals requires a lot of capital, fairly little management and is a relatively slow way to build cash flow. But in the right markets, you can also build great wealth in the process. Renting homes, furnishing them and subleasing them requires just a little capital, a fair amount of management and is a relatively quick way to build cash flow. 

If you are interested in learning how to build and scale a short-term rental business, I recommend that you do rental arbitrage: rent other people's homes, drop $3-7K to furnish each one and make it move-in ready, then open up shop using sites like AirBNB and VRBO/ HomeAway. If you are paying low rent for your places and willing to pivot to a long-term furnished rental strategy if STR regulations become too restrictive, then there is fairly little risk in doing this. Check out AirBnB and AirDNA to understand the furnished rental market(s) you are considering.

Good luck!

Post: Mid Term/Monthly Rentals

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Jake Cohen - Yes the revenues are in between a long-term unfurnished rental and STR listing, and the work required is also in between. It typically takes about 6 months to recoup furniture costs and then you start reaping the profits.

Post: Mid Term/Monthly Rentals

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Jake Cohen -

 I run a furnished rental business in San Francisco and San Mateo Counties. 95% of my reservations are for 30+ days (including 100% in SF).  This semi-passive business model has worked for me. I’ve found that the most important criteria for a successful mid-term furnished property are:

- large employers nearby—-location, location, location!

- easy parking

- compact place/low price per bedroom and per person 

- decent neighborhood

- pet-friendly

Regarding listing platforms and vacancies between 30+ day bookings, this is an issue in winter but not summer. In addition to AirBnB for 30+ day rentals, I have started getting bookings up to 6 months from Zillow/trulia/Hotpads, where a single listing posts to all 3 websites. 

Good luck!

Post: Possible to list a duplex as a 1 or 2 bedroom?

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Ryan Thomas - Yes, AirBnB allows you to list and to link 2 units together so you can rent them out separately or together. When both “sub-units” are vacant, you can have 3 listings (A, B and AB). Then when just unit A gets booked, unit AB will also show as booked so only unit B will show as vacant. I’m not sure about HomeAway/VRBO and the others.

Post: Rental Arbitrage - Signing their lease

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

I love it! Thank you @Paul Sandhu for the words of wisdom...

Post: Rental Arbitrage - Signing their lease

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Paul SandhuI totally agree that each market is different and supports different real estate strategies. I own 3 SFRs in San Francisco and use them as regular rentals—semi-affordable housing for 20-somethings. The 11 STRs that I manage are mostly south of SF, where STR laws are much friendlier.

@Benjamin Vail - Yes! The STR model is very flexible. Just like investing, every "arbitrage" property has multiple uses and exit strategies—short-term furnished rental, 30-90 day furnished rental, 6-24 month furnished rental, medium or long-term unfurnished rental, etc. And that doesn't include the various types of partnerships with landlords and financial partners. As long as the rent paid by the "arbitrager" is at or below market, there are many ways to make money with a rented property. As you said, one of the best arrangements is the "revenue split" where the landlord pays for all furniture and the manager gets a cut from them for doing all the booking, guest communications, coordinating cleaners and other management stuff.

How good can it get? One friend of mine set up 20 units, hired and trained a team, and now he travels around the world 9 months out of the year and works 4 hours a week. 

How bad can it get? Another friend of mine running an “arbitrage” business was banned from using AirBNB because a guest discovered a hidden camera that a previous guest had put there. AirBNB was his main booking platform! So he “sold” his existing business (leases and furniture) to other arbitragers to cover his expenses, shifted his furniture to several newly rented units and spent several months re-creating his business using HomeAway/VRBO, Facebook, etc. This was a big pain in the *** and he lost thousands of dollars. But he and his partner are up and running again, much better at marketing their properties than before. 

What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger! 

Post: Sub-leasing short-term rentals

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Daniel Mills - Search BiggerPockets for "Rental Arbitrage" and you will find a bunch of good threads on how to do this successfully, including tips, risks and how to mitigate them. Here's one good thread:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/530/topics/636091-rental-arbitrage-how-to-do-airbnb-without-buying 

Post: Rental Arbitrage - Signing their lease

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Eric P. - I will respectfully disagree with @John Underwood and @Paul Sandhu. I run a growing, 11-unit rental arbitrage business  in San Francisco and just south. I add a 1/2-page Sublet Addendum to the standard lease agreement, cross out the “no subletting” clause and write “See Addendum”. 

I avoid problems with landlords by treating them like royalty and make everything very easy for them. I’ve been doing this for over a year, and all the landlords I work with have offered to extend the lease for another year. I handle all minor maintenance and they hear about it only after it’s done. And they get their rent early every month. 

There are always risks with working with landlords and tenants, but you can mitigate them significantly by maintaining strong, win-win relationships.

Good luck!

Post: Container Homes as an Airbnb rental

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Ryan B. - I have also thought this would be a great idea, though I’m more attracted to tiny homes since they offer more variation than container homes. Below is a link to a great article about several tiny home rental businesses. I bet some of these business owners would be glad to speak with you!

https://www.curbed.com/platform/amp/2017/7/20/1600...

Post: short term rental investment property criteria

Ethan CookePosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 227
  • Votes 364

@Kevin Lefeuvre - RE: rentals, I have come across a few landlords renting out a SFH+studio as a single property for the market rent of the SFH plus a small increase. I have also viewed homes for sale with an added in-law or potential in-law that were just slightly more expensive than comparable homes with no in-law. Meanwhile it seems that most duplexes (e.g. two 2BR/1BA units together) are priced equivalent to 2 full units. For example, in the SF Bay Area I've seen a 1200 sq ft 3BD/2BA with 400 sq ft in-law for about $850K while a 1600 sq ft duplex (e.g. two 2BD/1BA units) in a similar neighborhood typically costs $1.2M. But on AirBnB (or the local rental market), the 3/2 with in-law will fetch about the same monthly income as the duplex. Does that make sense?