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All Forum Posts by: Erin Spradlin

Erin Spradlin has started 43 posts and replied 338 times.

Post: Medium term rental data

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I read somewhere that Mashvisor and Furnished Finder were going to combine data at some point to help support MTR listings. That said, there needs to be a filtering of rent by the room and midterm rentals because I think they are often conflated and the rental pricing data is very different for the two sources. I think Airbnb is your best bet for cobbling together MTR pricing. 

Post: Co-Host mid-term rental

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@Stacy Stilwater - I will DM you, but I do this for a handful of clients nationwide and have a youtube channel (BP won't let me share the link, but you can find me under my name on YouTube) that is strictly about midterm rental property management, midterm rental cohosting, midterm rental pricing, midterm rental strategy, Airbnb v. Furnished Finder, etc. 

Post: Success with niche sites? (Insurance, Traveling Nurse, CHBO)

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I am curious if anyone has had success getting midterm renters off of niche sites that cater specifically to a demographic. This would be if you've reached out to Corporate Housing by Owner, AYA, Vivian, anyone that caters to insurance claims? Do you think it is worth it to be on these niche sites? 

Post: changing STR to MTR

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@Clayton Silva @steve 

@Steve H.

Hey Clayton & Steve- Couple lots of thoughts on this. You may have already tried these, but if not, I've found these to be helpful for some of my midterm rental clients. 

Most places should rent, but the issue comes down to marketing and pricing the midterm rental. For marketing, best practices are:

+listed it on two sites, one of which is Airbnb and the other is a long-term unfurnished site like Zillow, Turbo Tenant or Avail (people convert well on those sites)
+Write the listing broad and avoid any preference for traveling nurses, medical professionals, insurance folks, etc. You want to have a solid listing on the platform with no preference for a tenant pool.
+Make sure the first photo is of the kitchen or the exterior. 
+Make sure the headline includes useful details (ex. free parking, dog-friendly, W/D in unit, 3 blocks to downtown) rather than generic words (ex. comfy, spacious, light-filled).
+Whether you are dog-friendly or no-dog lean into the preference because there are people looking for both types of units.
+For Airbnb, list at the beginning what your set up is (2 bed/2 bath), since the filters return everything that is 2 beds+ when someone puts in this filter. It sends everything rather than just the 2 bedroom properties. 

And, finally, drop your prices if no one is booking. Some money is better than no money. 

Post: Out of State Investing in Travel Nurse Rental Multifam

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Quote from @Quiana Berry:

As a newbie I am facing analysis paralysis on where to start my midterm investing journey. In NYC starting a midterm rental business.

@Quiana Berry - I have a lot more success with MTRs on Airbnb and Zillow Rental Manager. Furnished Finder was more effective for me about 18 months ago, and has been less so since it became more popular. Also, there's a lot of confusion from the tenant side as far as who can book on Furnished Finder. So many people think that you have to be a nurse or a medical professional to be on Furnished Finder, but that's not true... However, that stereotype limits the tenant pool which limits your ability to fill your place. 


 Erin, you've really hit on one of FF's fatal flaws IMO. They are still branding themselves as a furnished rental website for "travel nurses and other traveling professionals" but they give travel nursing top billing throughout their website. It IS confusing for travelers and unnecessarily limiting. They announced last summer that for the first time ever searches from non-medical personnel exceeded that of medical travelers and yet they still haven't really pivoted. They're not doing themselves or their hosts any favors. That said, 100% of my guests have come from FF and all have been in the medical professions but that's because our area uses travel medical professionals pretty heavily. I'd suggest the OP widen the aperture. While MTRs have historically been associated with travel nurses, the market really is much larger than that. It sounds like Albany has many things going for it so there may be many reasons someone would travel there. FF is just one source and good for establishing a baseline of sorts, but I agree with you that it's going to be beneficial to market on other sites, including the OTAs.

 @Bonnie Low THIS. I feel like Furnished Finder could make some very basic changes that would help them and their landlord hosts a lot, but they don't do it. For this reason, I feel like they are falling behind a little bit. It's interesting that you have been getting 100% of your guests from them because that was true for me until about 18 months ago and now it's all Airbnb and Zillow. LOL. Wherever they come from, I don't care as long as they are responsible and pay the bills. 


 I don't konw if you're on many social media sites, but even on the FF FB page it is littered with guests AND hosts claiming FF is a scam! It all comes down to people not getting traction. Either guests who get no response from hosts or hosts who don't know how to use it and wonder why no one is booking their place. I even had a woman argue with me extensively because she was convinced that I worked for FF and that is why I was claiming I've had such success with it. For the love of Pete I could not convince her otherwise so I just gave up. But seriously, they have all of the elements there and it's just maddening that they don't do a better job with it. It particularly irks me because a) they have people wanting to use their site and b) I don't trust Airbnb's guest-forward policies so I refuse to list my MTRs there. The market needs alternatives to the OTAs and they're already set up and established - if they would just make some basic improvements it would help everyone!  Ok, rant over ; )

 @Bonnie Low Rant away. I have so many thoughts about Furnished Finder, and most of them have to do with the company needing some kind of re-organization. It's particularly ironic that we are saying this about them when you source all your clientele from them and I have written books singing their praises- and, yet, now both of us are on a popular, public midterm rental forum saying they do not do a good job, they are not helping their hosts, they are leaving money on the table. Wake up, Furnished Finder. 

Post: Property manager for medium term rentals

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@Boffill Yosleys Yeah, the typical property management experience does not work for midterm rentals. It's hard for the PM to make their costs if they can't charge half the first month's rent, and charging half of the first month's rent won't work for the tenant landlord if each rental is only 3 months long. For this reason, I coach a lot of my midterm rental consulting clients to learn how to do Airbnb and Zillow and embrace self-property management. You can always get a PM after that if you are not successful doing it on your own. 

Post: Out of State Investing in Travel Nurse Rental Multifam

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Quote from @Bonnie Low:
Quote from @Erin Spradlin:
Quote from @Quiana Berry:

As a newbie I am facing analysis paralysis on where to start my midterm investing journey. In NYC starting a midterm rental business.

@Quiana Berry - I have a lot more success with MTRs on Airbnb and Zillow Rental Manager. Furnished Finder was more effective for me about 18 months ago, and has been less so since it became more popular. Also, there's a lot of confusion from the tenant side as far as who can book on Furnished Finder. So many people think that you have to be a nurse or a medical professional to be on Furnished Finder, but that's not true... However, that stereotype limits the tenant pool which limits your ability to fill your place. 


 Erin, you've really hit on one of FF's fatal flaws IMO. They are still branding themselves as a furnished rental website for "travel nurses and other traveling professionals" but they give travel nursing top billing throughout their website. It IS confusing for travelers and unnecessarily limiting. They announced last summer that for the first time ever searches from non-medical personnel exceeded that of medical travelers and yet they still haven't really pivoted. They're not doing themselves or their hosts any favors. That said, 100% of my guests have come from FF and all have been in the medical professions but that's because our area uses travel medical professionals pretty heavily. I'd suggest the OP widen the aperture. While MTRs have historically been associated with travel nurses, the market really is much larger than that. It sounds like Albany has many things going for it so there may be many reasons someone would travel there. FF is just one source and good for establishing a baseline of sorts, but I agree with you that it's going to be beneficial to market on other sites, including the OTAs.

 @Bonnie Low THIS. I feel like Furnished Finder could make some very basic changes that would help them and their landlord hosts a lot, but they don't do it. For this reason, I feel like they are falling behind a little bit. It's interesting that you have been getting 100% of your guests from them because that was true for me until about 18 months ago and now it's all Airbnb and Zillow. LOL. Wherever they come from, I don't care as long as they are responsible and pay the bills. 

Post: Need advice from MTR operators in San Bernardino or Riverside CA.

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@Vishal Chandan @Bonnie Low- Second what Bonnie has to say. The market for midterm rentals is much broader than medical professionals. You can also source for people getting divorced, people new to a state or area, college kids, remote workers. There are many different midterm rental tenant types. 
I would avoid aggressively pursuing traveling nurses. The reason for this is that there is outsized competition with your fellow landlord hosts, who are also pursuing nurses, and a shrinking demographic of traveling nurses (cost cutting, covid cuts, etc.)

Post: Different occupancy limits for children vs adults?

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Quote from @Russell Brazil:

General HUD guidelines are for 2 people per bedroom plus 1. So a 3 bedroom apartment 7 people can live there if they are related.

Unrelated people generally will need to adhere to local regulations on unrelated people. In Philadelphia I believe that's capped at 3 unrelated people.

 @Russell Brazil Excellent answer. This helps prevent any fair housing issues and most cities do have laws around the number of unrelated people allowed to live together... and, typically, this number is shockingly low. 

Post: New to mid and long term furnished rentals

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Quote from @James Carlson:

@Curtis Harrison

Like @Carl Davis said, I'd get on Airbnb and Zillow as well. I know all our medium term rentals in Denver and Colorado Springs have Airbnb tenants, and that's been the case for awhile.

I also know @Erin Spradlin's midterm consulting clients are seeing problems getting tenants through Furnished Finder. 

 Thank you for the mention, @James Carlson. And, couldn't agree more. We are having a lot more success finding midterm rental clients on Airbnb and Zillow, including nurses. 5 out of our past 7 rentals on Airbnb have been nurses.