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All Forum Posts by: Daniel Ryu

Daniel Ryu has started 49 posts and replied 559 times.

Hi all,

My wife's first language is Korean. She's been studying to take the CA Real Estate Licensing Exam. She's been reading materials in English but she's also looking to find materials in Korean to review and reinforce some of the knowledge she's learning.

Does anyone here know of Korean Language resources available for someone studying to take the CA Real Estate Licensing Exam? Online courses, offline courses, books, bilingual tutors, etc?

Thanks in advance!

Ryan Kirk We started at 3... now have 1,200. We probably draw as many if not more members to events as established brands like the Urban Land Institute in Korea (we now are partnering with them to co-sponsor events). This is not to brag ^^ ... but I like telling folks because we could have never predicted our growth. If you look back thru some of my BP posts, you'll kinda see how it grew over time. (Meetup is great platform for reaching a local audience.) Good luck to any and all who want to start a local group. So many positives come from it including leadership development and access to great speakers. Feel free to PM me if you want more insights on how we grew our meetup. I think I have some content w our strategies.

@Wade Chilcoat

In the past when I post the name, BP removes the thread. You can PM me tho if you can't find us. 

I lived in South Korea for over 20 years. 

Thanks to BiggerPockets, I met other investors who happen to live in Korea and we started a meetup in Seoul. We've grown that meetup to over 1,000 members, in part thanks to great BP members who appeared virtually as guests:

@Brandon Turner

@Joshua Dorkin

@Ben Leybovich

@Engelo Rumora

@Matt Faircloth

@Mark Shaffar

@Ali Boone

@Jacob Blackett

BP also lead to my meeting investing partners in Jacksonville, Florida, and I was able to make my first investment while living in Seoul, Korea. (I documented much of that process here on BP through a members blog to help others looking to do the same)

Through the local meetup we started, I was also able to connect with others and that eventually lead to my becoming Director of Acquisitions for a Mobile Home Park focused private equity group.

It's been a quite a journey and it all started because of BiggerPockets. Without the forum and the chance to start asking questions and meeting other like-minded people, I'm not sure my desire to become a real estate investor would have ever evolved past reading books and online blog posts. 

If anyone new to real estate investing reads this post, know this - it doesn't matter where you're living or where you're starting from. I knew nothing about real estate when I started and I was living in Korea but wanting to invest in the US. It really sounded crazy to most people, and even to myself!

But thanks to BP and technology, I was able to accomplish a lot in a relatively short amount of time. 

Stay focused on your next goal and the obstacle you need to overcome to reach that goal! Between BP and Google, you'll undoubtedly find the solution ^^

Post: Is This Mobile Home Park a Deal?

Daniel RyuPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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Originally posted by @David Mathews:

@Ray Lai

Yes sir. Thanks to Daniel I did learn A LOT and hopefully will continue to in this Journey. As to your question about interests.... currently I own three SFRs and finding a lot of success with the BRRR strategy but would like to shift my focus to mobile home parks. I am in the SW LA/SE TX area and MHP living is quite common around here so I see it as a solid investment if I can find the right deal.

@Daniel Ryu 

Thank you again for all of the info. I actually printed your response in order to have a quick reference to refer to.

 Glad I could help!

Post: Is This Mobile Home Park a Deal?

Daniel RyuPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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@Mike G.

Thanks Logan. Hope you find some great deals!

Post: Is This Mobile Home Park a Deal?

Daniel RyuPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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@David Mathews

Best of luck! 

I think the issue you're facing right now is not price but motivation. When sellers are motivated, they become much easier to work with. And usually that means you need time, the market to not respond to the price, and/or circumstances for the seller to change. I've seen lots of sellers start at high numbers and then six months later, when they're really ready to sell, start to lower the number. 

I'm sure you've already done a good job of rapport building but I find a great question to ask is "How did you end up getting in this business?" That usually creates a lot of opportunities to ask question and learn more about the seller's life. It could help you identify their motivations more clearly and possibly help you structure a deal that works for both of you. 

Also one note - since you're dealing with a smaller park, infrastructure repairs can really eat up your profits, so make sure it's all in good shape. With fewer lots, its harder to spread out cap ex expenses and that can really kill your cashflow. 

Post: Is This Mobile Home Park a Deal?

Daniel RyuPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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@David Mathews

I deal with mobile home park acquisitions and we constantly analyze deals every day. 

Typically we value parks based on income. I don't normally do analysis on deals this small and I might be missing something but here's what we usually do to determine value.

1. We usually look at parks as two separate units - the land and the homes. We want to place a value on the land (the lot rents being produced). Banks also prefer to look at parks based on what the land is producing. Generally banks don't want to value the homes because mobile homes are depreciating assets and they don't want to give valuation credit for something that will depreciate over time.

If you look at this deal from a lot rent income analysis basis:

$350 lot rent / mo x 2 x 12 = $8,400

Minus:

$2,000 in taxes

Leaves you:

$6,400 

And that's before other expenses.

The $200 above lot rent you earn from the mobile homes could likely get eaten up in cap ex and R&M over time.

But let's say all of that was profit:

$200 x 2 x 12 = $4,800

If you combine the two figures:

$11,200 (Net Operating Income - a very optimistic number)

He's asking for $150,000

$150,000 / $11,200 = 7.4% Cap rate

That's a 7.4 cap rate on a very optimistic NOI (net operating income).

Normally with MHPs, you'd be looking to buy something that small at a 10cap or above off the NOI from lot rents only and then paying something extra for the homes, depending on their age and condition.

Banks usually value at NOI off the lot rents divided by the cap rate times the Loan To Value ratio.

NOI / Cap Rate = Value

Value x Loan to Value (ie. 75%) = Maximum amount of the loan

General expense factors for mobile home parks are usually somewhere between 30-40% of income.

So the bank might look at the NOI as being closer to: $5,040 giving the property a cap rate of 3%

If you had a 75% LTV meaning you borrowed $112,500 from the bank at 4.5% over 20 years, your annual debt service payment would be: $10,327 / year, meaning your current cashflow wouldn't cover the bank payments.

Usually banks want to see a minimum Debt Service Coverage Ratio of 1.2x (You earn at least 20% more than the debt service payment).

Let's say the bank were willing to financing this deal.. you'd have to get your annual debt service payment to $4,200.

That means borrowing about $46,000.

So you'd have to raise $104,000 or bring that to the table.

Cashflow after debt service would be: $840 

That's a cash on cash return of: less than 1%

At that Cash on cash return, most likely your private lender would have to be an equity partner since there's not enough money to make debt payments to the lender. 

2. The Upside

So while the deal 'as is' might be overpriced, it might be a park worth overpaying for if you think there's a lot of upside.

One of the biggest expenses for mobile home parks is filling empty lots. That involves buying homes, moving them, and then setting them in the park. 

With each home you move in, you're increasing the amount of money you have in the deal. 

But let's take a scenario where you have the lot completely filled at 7 lots.

$350 x 7 x 12 = $29,400

Expense factor of 40% (since it's a smaller park and harder to spread expenses)

$17,640 NOI

If you divide that by 10% to get a value at a 10cap, you get:

$176,400

After selling costs, etc, you might be looking at $162,000 net + whatever principal paydown you were able to make?

That's a gain of about $12,000 (more likely there will be $0 or negative gain because of the expense required to move the homes into the park).

Most of that would likely have to go to your private lender, now equity partner. And that return might not be enough to satisfy him. 

If you refi'd out - at a 75% LTV - you could repay your private lender about ($132,000 - $46,000) $86,000 (less than that because there'd be transaction fees as well).

He has $18,000 remaining in the deal and your new debt service payment (assuming the same rate) would be about $12,000 annually. That leaves about $5,000 left for you and your private lender to split annually.

3. I might be way off! 

But if you plug in your own numbers into the basic analysis, it should help you think about what the upside is and whether it's worth the risk.

My own opinion - the current owner wants you to pay too much for potential income that will take a lot of work to realize. 

I deal with a lot of owners looking to retire and most of them overvalue their properties. Our strategy would be: "Sorry.. I can't make those numbers work..." and then keep in touch with him by sending postcards / calls every 3-6 months. 

In the meantime, try running CL ads to measure demand in the area.

4. If you think the real play is to convert into an RV park, figure out what the additional infrastructure cost will be and then run a similar financial analysis.

Bottom line: How much will it cashflow? How much can I sell it for later? What will my returns be?

Good luck! 

Post: Newbie from abroad (Seoul) looking into Seattle

Daniel RyuPosted
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  • Suwanee, GA
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@John Van Uytven Thanks for the shoutout! Yeah.. we're the little meetup that could. From 3 to over a 1000 members now.. who would have thunk it??

@Sei-Jung Park Glad to see you on BP now. Great resource! Good luck in Seattle ^^

@Rob Terpilowski We have some members of our group I can introduce you to that may be able to help answer your question, if SJ isn't able to. Send me a PM if needed. (I'd put a link to the group in this thread, but I'm not sure if I'm able to).

@Sean Walker Here's an interesting BP thread on the topic. https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/18...

The bank issue might have to do more with credit rating of the loan and the ability of the bank to package your loan w others to sell. Sounds like insurance changes is where the banks find out.