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All Forum Posts by: Don M.

Don M. has started 2 posts and replied 135 times.

Quote from @Arjun S.:

Hello @Don M.! They are finally all done with the construction and I had my prefinal walk 2 weeks back. It looks great overall and pretty happy with the deal.

Rents have gone up significantly in the area compared to where they were when I started out (~$1800 in 2021 to ~$2600 now). Still waiting on appraisal numbers but based on some recent numbers it should be close to $400K. That's still a good ~$100K over early 2021 numbers


 Excellent!  Thank you for the update.  I am still in the slab stage, but hoping for a similar outcome.

Are you planning to hold or sell this one?

Congrats on your completed project!

A few good real estate books.

@Arjun S.
@Patrick Bavaro

Hey guys, Just checking in to see if either of you had an update, at this point?
Thanks!

Quote from @Ruchit Patel:

Thanks for giving updates here, Don.

Do you mind, elaborating on exit strategy? 

If you refinance, for saay $400,000 value. So, you get $320,000 as 80%. Loan is ~$250,000.

That would mean, you can get $70,000 cash out to invset more. 

Now my question is; is ~$2450 rent enough to cover mortgage of $320,000? or now your deal will become overall negative every month?

Thank you.

 @Ruchit Patel  Great question.  I think ultimately, one thing I've learned is how quickly economic conditions can change.  It was just 12 months ago where the numbers aligned phenomenally and cashflow was looking crazy good.  It is hard to know where we will be in 9, 11, or 13 months, or whenever everything is finalized. 
I will say, one of the appealing parts of this build, was the built in room for changes in the numbers.  

My hope is to hold this property.  I'm partial to South Florida, and I believe in it long term.  

It's hard to know what will happen.  If I took my best guess, investor rates may settle around 7.5% for quite a while.  If that's the case, I would likely hold the property without pulling money out and break even or cash flow a little.  My mortgage will be roughly 230-235k.   In a couple years, if rates come down, I would likely refinance and pull money out at that time.  With that said, it's all speculative of what the market will allow.  Right now, I'm just focused on seeing the project through and getting it done!  Currently, Cape Coral's inventory, new listings, etc are on the decline again.

As @Bernard Joseph S. implied, I would take a sizeable tax hit if I sold immediately, but again there are a lot of market conditions at play.

Quote from @Lorraine Patterson:

Hello Don!, I have a home in SW Cape Coral. And I'm looking for land to build, in the same location. I've just begun researching, I would say about a month or so ago. A few questions if you don't mind answering.

1. Did you work with a realtor to help find land?

2. Did  you pay cash for the land?

3. How did you locate a good builder?

4. Do you pay the builder upfront costs?

5. What kind of loan for this type of project, construction?

Thank you!!!

 Hey Lorraine,
All of my connections were through a turnkey provider, Rent to Retirement.  I'm not sure if they are currently working with any builders in Cape Coral at the moment, but you can connect with Zach Lemaster if you are interested in going that route.  They made the connections easy directly with a land broker, a broker for financing the deal, and a builder.  If you have questions about the builder I'm using, feel free to PM me.
The land broker sent me some options to pick from based on the area I was interested in.  I did purchase my lot in cash.
For the financial side, there are different options, and I am far from an expert.  For my particular situation, I have a construction loan that will be refinanced into a conventional mortgage (probably) upon completion.  Again, lot was purchased in cash, I sent about a 13.5k deposit to the builder, paid roughly 15k in fees and closing costs for the loan and have an interest only loan.  I pay interest only on the draws made to fund the build.  Right now my payments are only about 120 dollars a month, but as the build progresses and more draws are done, that amount will increase.

I just wanted to give a little input, as my experience has not been bad.  As a disclaimer, I am early in the process, and only a single case with a single build.  It would be unfair for me to give any kind of general satisfaction/unsatisfaction because there is still a lot ahead to be determined.

A quick snapshot:
-Purchased lot in February 2022.  
-Completed permit package was submitted in June 2022. 
-Construction Permit was approved by City August 2022.
-Category 4 (Almost 5) Hurricane hit the area September 2022. 
-Lot was scraped November 2022.
-Currently in slab process with all fill dirt in place and compaction tests done January 2023.

I have put in effort to connect with people on biggerpockets who are going through the same or a similar process, so here are the positives I have found for my experience:

-The price point to this build was attractive.  The design of this build was attractive.
-Builder immediately began our permit package. (Surveys, septic design approvals, etc.)  During this time, when I inquired for updates, the builder sent me a comprehensive checklist of where we were in the process to see our progress.
-Getting the package to the city was congruent with (and a little ahead of) my expected timeframe.
-All permits were approved on first attempt.  I felt very fortunate here, as the city has definitely had its significant faults with permitting.
-We visited in December.  While in Cape Coral, we witnessed fill dirt being brought to our lot, and saw some progress in those few days we were there.
-Throughout the slab formation process, we have been sent another comprehensive checklist of where we are in the process, so we understand what is happening.
-We have experienced continued progress in the last couple weeks through our compaction tests.  
-Overall, the builder has been responsive to questions and inquiries in a 2-3 day window.
-While not immune from price escalation, there has been no indication of price escalation thus far.

A couple of other notes:
-As mentioned, we visited last month.  While this isn't Sanibel, Matlacha, or FMB, the hurricane damage was no joke.  The majority of homes in Cape Coral sustained some type of damage.  3 months after the hurricane, there were still blue tarps everywhere, debris at curbsides, fences and boat docks down, etc.  There's a lot of work for labor in the area.  There will undoubtedly be blue tarps on roofs for months and months to come.
-In speaking with investors, others have experienced some of the same issues mentioned throughout.  Long permit times (some greater than a year) and a slow process overall in Cape Coral.  Additionally, some investors with other builders have mentioned experiencing some significant price escalations. 

Do I initiate a lot of the updates/questions? Yes.  Do I, at times, wish things were faster? Yes.
Overall, I do not regret working with Delta at this point.  I continue to believe in the area and the project.  I am interested to see the timeframe of my slab being completed and how things move forward from there.

Good luck to everyone!


Pleased with some progress!
All dirt delivered, and compaction tests completed.
Next comes underground plumbing and slab pouring.

Quote from @Jordan Wight:

As an update from my end, since my concrete block walls were knocked down in Hurricane Ian, today I finally found out that new block was delivered put back up and the Tie-Beam is being formed to be poured. Delta has not charged me extra for the new block. I am optimistic about things getting moving now.


 Great news Jordan, thank you for updating us!

We took a trip to Cape Coral last week.
The area seems to be getting back to routine.  There are still a ton of roofs with blue tarps needing repair/replacement and some debris sitting curbside.  
Otherwise, we thoroughly enjoyed the area.  In driving past our property, we saw that a bunch of fill dirt was brought in for elevation/grading.

We also did a visit to Pine Island which has a lot of areas of worse damage.  Driving through Matlacha to get to Pine Island was particularly tough to see.  The area truly looks devastated, yet you can still see the charm that was there and will be back again.  There were people out and about smiling and offering free food to other residents.

Through the ups and downs, we continue to believe in the project and the area.