All Forum Posts by: David Dachtera

@J Scott

"Would you like to provide an example of any worthwhile real estate investing information you've provided?"

This thread is about Renatus schooling. Again. review my posts in other forums.

"Plus, anyone who has read this far already gets the point."

Probably, but certainly not the one you intended!

@J Scott

This thread has gone the way it has because you and the others believe that yours is/are the only valid opinion(s).

Note also that everything you have expressed about Renatus is 100% uninformed speculation, 0% actual first-hand experience.

@Doug Leedy and I have first-hand experience. It's the paradigm we speak from.

@Jay Hinrichs:

No, not everyone who comes our way is financially destitute. No one - including me - ever said otherwise. You should know better than that.

I do find it odd, though, that some of the people who want to get involved with the education don't seem to have the money - until they find themselves behind the financial 8-ball in a major way. More than a little counter-intuitive, no?

"to just get it out there with what it cost and let the public decide"

When acquiring properties, do you look only at the asking price? ... or do you do your "due diligence"? If you do, do you do it e-mail? ...internet chat / blog / forum? 

We prefer to work with people who make intelligent, fully informed decisions. Neither an e-mail, a blog / forum post nor a quick telephone conversation are sufficient to provide all the necessary information to make an informed, intelligent decision. 

That's why every one is so frustrated that the only response I can give is the same one the Chinese lady did: You want information? "That what meeting for. You come meeting", or to a webinar - the live follow-up webinars are interactive and allow for Q&A via the chat box. You can also prevail upon the person who connected you with the meeting and/or webinar to arrange a 3-way call with their mentor / coach / whatever you want to call them.

Until one has first hand experience, all anyone can say is purely "their thoughts", with a questionable basis in reality, at best.

Hopefully, that addresses at least some of the confusion generated by all the negativity and nay-saying ...

... and thank you for giving me an opportunity to summarize my thoughts from first-hand experience with Renatus.

@J Scott:

"I didn't think you charged by credit hour. If you don't charge by credit hour, you can't compare based on that metric."

Actually, yes, you can. It's rather like when you can't find the right comp.'s, so you convert recent sold prices to $/SqFt to do the comparisons.

If we could assign the right credit hours to the Renatus class time we could compare the package to college tuition and probably discover that most 4-year colleges cost 4 to 5 times Renatus for similar class time and credit hours, last time I sized up the local 4-year institutions, assuming at least 2 but not more than 3 credit hours per course. Our courses are generally a minimum of 8 classroom hours equivalent to 4 weeks at 2 hours per class per class day. Some classes run 16 classroom hours. So, I assigned them the higher credit hours (3).

Our total number of classes offered has increased lately. So, I'll have to run the numbers again.

@Renea Steward:

"To be convinced against your will is to no avail. You are of the same opinion still."

Indeed. The saying goes, I believe,

One convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

@Roy N.

"After investing an evening doing a little background work on Renatus, I still do not see clearly what you are selling, nor how it would benefit me more than seeking accredited education from a university or community college at a lesser cost?"

Do you really find even junior colleges "lesser cost" than Renatus? I'd be interested in knowing where you found such low costs per credit hour.

If I recall correctly, we're currently up to about 460 hours of class time at the top package. Not sure how that might translate to credit hours, but it does raise an interesting question, does it not?

As to "what we are selling", we sell on-line real estate investing education that can be reviewed as many times as the student wants and is updated as laws and methodologies change. We also have investor communities in some cities. We're looking to start communities in more cities.

Even here in "Illi-ana". The Indiana folks would like something closer to home than the South Loop or Western Suburbs of Chicago. Some folks travel 100 miles ONE-WAY(!!!) from Northern Indiana.

Go get a cold one, Jason. Have a good night!

Well, I have a 9pm webinar with Bob Snyder.

Stick an apple in my mouth and roast me to a turn. Just save me some potatoes, 'k? Hopefully, they're garlic mashed...

@Ryan Dossey

"You guys have a "tiered" comp plan where the more a person pays upfront the 'faster' they can make money. I mean learn a career in Real Estate with the ultimate package."

That's not how it works. If you ever were associated with Renatus, seek out your former contact and ask them to re-explain the compensation plan to you.

Yeah, it REALLY is!

We've been there before, Jason. Go back earlier in this thread and read the answer - it hasn't changed, nor is it likely to.

...and that BBB business? There have been 3 complaints since Renatus began in 2011. That's three out of 10,000+ students (last number I heard, probably higher by now). The Windows Calculator applet makes that 0.03%.

If you're THAT desperate for an argument, maybe it would be time better spent to crack open a cold one and chill out with the family.