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All Forum Posts by: Derek Robinson

Derek Robinson has started 26 posts and replied 157 times.

Post: Retail / Mixed Use in Up and Coming areas

Derek Robinson
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  • Asheville, NC
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@Micki M., I don't know how "hot" Asheville will have to get before people will deal with the smell.  There are people who don't mind the smell, but they seem to be few and they are dealing with the smell to get a deal on rent/purchase price.  You can look at the growth trend of surrounding areas and gauge.  Small similar WNC towns are growing (Murphy, Cherokee, Sylva, Robbinsville, etc.) even though they are farther from Asheville.  I wonder if they are outpacing Canton in terms of growth?  If so, that tells you that the current thriving market is passing on Canton.  If they are growing at the same rate, then maybe Canton has hope?  If/when the market takes a turn, I'd place my bet on the smelly town suffering a worse fate that other small WNC towns.

Post: [Calc Review] Help me analyze this deal

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@JJ Neerman

I own 8 parks and have a decent amount of experience.  I'll list out a few items and you can take or leave them!

1) Well and lagoon.  This is pretty scary to me, especially to know that they are state inspected/certified.  It's good to know you are buying a park that has the proper inspections and certifications, but it also means at any time the state can decide that your well has been tainted and needs to be shut down, or your lagoon system is leaching or causing environmental issues.  You would need to know if you have other options: Is public water and sewer available to tap into, is there enough land with the park to dig a new well or place a new lagoon system is these fail, will the county even let you upgrade or put in a new lagoon system, etc.

I have a few parks with septic tanks, none with wells.  I try to stay away from the combination of both.  For me, it's too risky to cause costly issues down the road.  If I move forward with a park with septic or well, I always make sure that there is a back up plan and I have the reserves to tackle these issues.

2) You mentioned what they paid and what you are willing to pay based on that information.  While it may be nice to know that he might have room to negotiate, don't assume he will or that you shouldn't pay a certain price just because he paid less not long ago.  I base my offers on the park solely and what they paid has no influence on my asking price, just nice to know in the back of my head that they may take less.

3)  Banks.  I would talk to multiple banks to see what you qualify for before making assumptions and going off of what other people tell you.  Your question was "loan based on income alone": When banks look a at a property for a commercial loan, they will have a commercial appraisal done (usually at your cost and usually $1,500 or more).  They will use income approach to influence their evaluation, but also pull lot rents from surrounding parks, factor in your water and sewer situation, paved vs gravel roads, condition of homes (even if you don't own them), etc.  They will also look at you personally, and each bank had different criteria for who they will finance.  Local credit unions will look at the property and your personal credit score and debt.  Larger banks will look at these things, plus your previous experience with commercial and rental property.  Most larger banks won't touch mobile home parks.  The ones that will mostly only do 1 mil or 2 mil plus.  There are very few that will do under 1 mil and lock in any kind of long term rate and term.  If you are thinking of refi later to pull out the cash you put into it, I have yet to find a bank that will do this.  They will refi to pay off a current mortgage, but not to give you personally any cash.

I feel like I'm being a downer, but just giving you my personal experience.

Post: Investment property - rental or fix and flip

Derek Robinson
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  • Asheville, NC
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@Zack Heath if you are having second thoughts and want to assign your contract, I may be interested, depending on the location.  I’d be happy to pay a nice referral/wholesale fee.

Post: Bigger Pockets for Small Entrepreneurs?

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Hello,  I've been investing in a full time capacity for a while now.  I'm finding that I'm more interested in starting new ventures, investing in businesses, etc than real estate investing exclusively.  I've formed a property management business (currently in house only but hopefully will manage other's soon), a landscape company, and looking at other business models.  Are there any websites similar to Bigger Pockets in terms of articles, forums, community for general entrepreneurs.   Any recommendations would be great!  I'm finding a lot lean more towards tech start-ups exclusively. 

Post: New Member From Asheville, NC and investing in Cincinnati

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@Jeremiah Cotner , I'm pretty introverted, so I don't network much (I know, dumb move on my part!).  There is a local chapter of CREIA (Carolina Real Estate Investor Association) that seems pretty good.  I've been to several meetings and even though I keep to myself, I end up talking to lots of folks investing in the same assets as me.

Post: Newbie from Asheville, NC

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@Lee Berkwits I've been a few CREIA meetings.  I think they are very valuable if you stick with them.  I'm pretty introverted so large meetings with a lot of people stresses me out, so I do my networking on social media and one on one lunches.

Spartanburg is interesting.  The city started a big campaign to revitalize the downtown area a while back.  They've done a really good job and a lot of large companies have regional offices downtown and there are a lot of small businesses, breweries, restaurants, etc downtown.  Then there are the suburb areas 20 mins outside of town that are doing well and increasing in value.  Where the opportunity sits, in my opinion, is the area between downtown and the suburbs.  Real estate is still really cheap and if you dig enough you can score some decent property is decent areas.  You have to drive the ares and do some research ahead of time.  One block could be all slumlord rentals with sketchy people dealing drugs and a few blocks over you have almost all home owners with pride in the community.  I picked up one house for $20k.  It's in great shape and came with a Section 8 tenant paying $600/month.  I've had this house and tenant for 2 years with no issues, just a small maintenance request here and there.

Post: Newbie from Asheville, NC

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Hey @Lee Berkwits.  Welcome to BP.  I live in Asheville as well, but do very little investing here because of prices in the market.  I stay in the Carolina's mostly (Spartanburg, Hickory, smaller towns around).  I'm happy to help with anything you might need!

Post: New Member From Asheville, NC and investing in Cincinnati

Derek Robinson
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Welcome @Jeremiah Cotner!  I'm in Asheville as well, but don't do much investing here because of high prices.  I do stick to the Carolina's though.  Lot's of meet up opportunities and networking in this area!

Post: Looking for opportunities in Ashevillle NC or surrounding areas

Derek Robinson
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Hey @Marcus Holland!

Welcome to Bigger Pockets!  I live in Asheville and invest full time.  Have you been to the local CREIA events?  They are a great place to meet friendly investing folks and network.

Post: Waste Management vs Republic Services

Derek Robinson
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  • Asheville, NC
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@Bill F. , have you tried to use this guy to negotiate waste removal? I tried calling in January. It seemed kind of disorganized and no one would ever call me back. It seemed like maybe this was just a side project that wasn't as successful as he thought it would be?