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All Forum Posts by: Demetrius Davis

Demetrius Davis has started 18 posts and replied 97 times.

Post: Section 8 Rent Amount in Bronzeville - Chicago

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52
Quote from @Quincy Lockett:

@Demetrius Davis

60653 zip code: 3 Bedroom: $1,550 for 2023

They publish these numbers at the HUD Fair Market Rent website. I've heard you can negotiate based on Comps but I have no proof of that. The website states that only commercial properties can negotiate based on Comps.

Market rate in 60653 is around $2,200/month for 3 bedrooms making it unlikely landlords would accept a voucher holder. I own a 3/2 in Bronzeville and I have a market tenant because of this.


Thanks! Given that the amount is standard, does that mean that it doesn’t matter whether a 3 bedroom is high end instead of basic and not renovated?

Post: Section 8 Rent Amount in Bronzeville - Chicago

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52
Quote from @Dena Puliatti:

Contact the Section 8 office and ask for a copy of current payment standards.

Are the payment standards the maximum amount they’ll pay even if the market rent is much higher?

Post: Section 8 Rent Amount in Bronzeville - Chicago

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52

Can anyone share their knowledge of what Section 8 is currently paying for 3-bedroom apartments in Bronzeville - Chicago? I assume it’s a range based on amenities and updates. What’s the range that you’ve seen?

Post: Best Entity for Residential Multifamily

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52

Update: I spoke to my lender and was told that there shouldn't be a problem using rental income that's going into the LLC as qualifying income for my next purchase. However, he did mention that I should own the LLC 100% or I would need the other person to be on the loan in order to count all of the income.

Post: Best Entity for Residential Multifamily

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52
Quote from @Paul De Luca:

@Demetrius Davis

LLCs are the most common legal entities I see people use for managing rental property, and there are definitely benefits to utilizing those.

I also have heard the same thing about having an umbrella insurance policy - I'm sure it couldn't hurt to have. 

Check with your lender on if you can use rental income going to your LLC as qualifying income for your next personal purchase.


 Thanks!

Post: Best Entity for Residential Multifamily

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52

I'm closing on (2) 4-unit buildings in Chicago over the next two weeks. Both mortgages and deeds will be in my name. What kind of entity/entities should I form to hold and run these properties? These will be my first multifamily properties, although I've owned single family rentals for the past 6 years. To date, I've held all properties in my name and used a separate personal bank account for funds, but am now concerned more about maintaining anonymity, protecting assets, and overall structuring the business properly in order to scale the business. Secure PayOne (landlord's assistance) interfaces with the tenants virtually on my behalf. When I'm at the properties, I tell tenants that I work with the management company, rather than that I'm the owner. I've read that I should put the buildings in a land trust for anonymity and as a way to avoid triggering the due on sale clause. Also, that I should form an LLC to be the "manager" of the property, and let Secure PayOne deposit all rents into the new LLC's account. Lastly, that I should get an umbrella policy for asset protection. Is this the best way for me to structure things? With rents going into the LLC, instead of my personal account, will I run into issues when I look to qualify for the next residential multifamily mortgage in my name? Thanks for your help!

Post: 3-Flat or 4-Flat Zoning Discrepancy

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52
Quote from @Sean McKee:

@Demetrius Davis I had a similar scare, luckily an old water bill from the 1950s and zoning certificate cleared it up.

The 3 units plus “1” are common and lately it seems a lot of people are willing to pay full value for them. I personally wouldn’t but it’s common enough that you might be ok if you sell in the future.


Good luck!

Thanks, Sean! Were you the seller or buyer?

Post: 3-Flat or 4-Flat Zoning Discrepancy

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52
Quote from @Paul De Luca:

@Demetrius Davis

If the property did have 13 offers, be careful about being too aggressive with your purchase price reduction request. Likely the listing agent will be contacting the other buyers when they see that. But the zoning certificate is the deciding factor here and I dealt with something similar recently.


Thanks for this advice, Paul! That's very tricky now because removing the basement, removes $1400/mo of income. But I realize that some of my competition includes owner occupants, in which case they're not strictly tied to the property's income producing ability.

Post: 3-Flat or 4-Flat Zoning Discrepancy

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52
Quote from @John Warren:

@Demetrius Davis have your agent run you comps for 3 units plus 1. Just know that, in general, sellers with 13 offers are unlikely to be thrilled when they see that price reduction come in.... your team should know what to do here. 

Thanks, @John Warren! Will do.

Post: 3-Flat or 4-Flat Zoning Discrepancy

Demetrius DavisPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Chicago, IL
  • Posts 98
  • Votes 52
Quote from @John Warren:

@Demetrius Davis this is one of the more frustrating things to deal with when buying and selling here in Chicago. The city is notorious for switching zoning, etc. Your attorney should be the main guide here, but the lack of the separate metering leads me to believe you may have a 3 unit plus "bonus" and not a 4 unit. 

The assessor's website listing this as a 4 unit is pretty much irrelevant in this case, and you should focus on the zoning certificate. 

Thanks @John Warren! This is helpful. Our attorney submitted a request for a purchase price reduction based on the 3-unit status yesterday. Waiting for the seller’s side to respond. There were 13 other offers and the appraiser didn’t catch that it was a 3-unit (appraised out), so the seller feels emboldened. We’ll see how this plays out.