Skip to content
×
Pro Members Get
Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
ANNUAL Save 54%
$32.50 /mo
$390 billed annualy
MONTHLY
$69 /mo
billed monthly
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
×
Try Pro Features for Free
Start your 7 day free trial. Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties.
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: David Sweeney

David Sweeney has started 8 posts and replied 65 times.

Post: Can anyone help a novice analyze a 5-unit in Cashmere, WA?

David SweeneyPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 29

Thank you for all the excellent replies. I agree Patrick Britton and Pav Toor; why the new higher price?

Lauren Dilly, glad that you have been there and looked at it.

Again, thanks everyone. I'm going to keep looking for something more residential for my first purchase(s). A 4-plex is a great idea to keep it out of commercial.

Post: Can anyone help a novice analyze a 5-unit in Cashmere, WA?

David SweeneyPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 29

Thanks Jeff Kehl. That certainly changes things. Good advice. I'll start looking for 4-plexes instead. Maybe later, I can get into commercial loans for bigger properties.

Post: Can anyone help a novice analyze a 5-unit in Cashmere, WA?

David SweeneyPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 29

Excellent advice. Eric Marofske. Sorry, I don't know the difference between purchase cap rate and market rate. Is this the rate charged for a commercial loan?

Derek Dame, you are correct. I need to gather more information from the listing agent. Excellent advice. Thanks also for CAPEX and maintenance approximates. That makes sense, depending on how much work needs to be done.

Post: Can anyone help a novice analyze a 5-unit in Cashmere, WA?

David SweeneyPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 29

I've been analyzing real estate as an amateur for a while now and I've read Brandon Turner's book "Rental Property Investing." I also listen to numerous podcasts on REI, and I spend time on the BP site. I also joined The Seattle Investors Club but my first meeting isn't until January, and I need advice now.

I now am looking and analyzing more seriously, and want to move toward making my first purchase.  I've worked as a police officer for almost 30 years. My eventual retirement is fine, but I'd like to start creating some more passive income right now. I consider myself seriously interested in REI. I've owned 4 houses in my lifetime, and I managed a 16-unit apartment building in college.

Here's a 5-unit in Cashmere, WA that interests me. I'm looking for advice on rents and expenses, because I had to do a lot of guessing. You can look up the property yourself: 300 Chapel St. Cashmere, WA 98815. MLS #712065. I'm looking in Cashmere because properties are so expensive in Seattle. My dad lives in Cashmere, so I am familiar with the area and I visit there regularly.

  • List price $515,000 (on the market for 6 days).
  • Built in 1978 on .4 acres.
  • 5 units. Each 1140 Sqft., 2 bed, 1 bath.
  • Appliance, countertops and flooring is all  7 years old.
  • It is listed with John L Scott but does not list the rents for the units. 
  • I did my best with plugging in the numbers into the Bigger Pockets RE calculator.
  • Purchase price of $515,000 with 20 % down ($103,000) = Mortgage of $412,000.
  • I estimated that I might like to spend $30,000 initially for repairs. After repair value of $550,000. Again, total newbie estimates here.
  • I can't seem to determine the going rate for commercial apartment loans. 5%?
  • Monthly P&I = $2211.

Here's where I start really guessing at items and where I could use some help:

  • Looking at what little rent information I can gather for Cashmere, I estimated that each unit would rent for $1200/mo. Obviously, I can probably call John L. Scott and ask, but I was curious that they did not list the rent as a selling point. Why not?
  • 2 Loan points $8240.
  • Vacancy $300/mo.
  • Capex $300/mo. (Is this low?)
  • Garbage $200/mo.
  • Repairs $900/mo. (Should this be higher or lower?)
  • Water and Sewer $400/mo.
  • Insurance $100/mo.
  • Property Tax (I can actually look this one up!): $432/mo.

The BP calculator shows my potential numbers as follows:

  • Income/Expenses Ratio (2% rule) 1.09%. (I'm still not sure of this formula. What does this mean?)
  • 50% rule (I understand this one better): Total Monthly Income $6000 (est.) x 50% for expenses = $3000. (Seems reasonable).  Monthly mortgage/P&I = $2211.  Total monthly cashflow = $788/mo. However at the top of the calculator, it shows monthly expenses of $4843/mo. and monthly cashflow of $1156. Is this more accurate that the 50% rule? As Brandon's book explains, it all depends on the property I guess.
  • Proforma cap rate 7.35%. (Still not sure about this one either).
  • I'm not going to list all of the future values. Needless to say, cashflow keeps on going up as does the eventual property value if sold. "The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades..."

This is the most relevant data I can give all of you on this property in Cashmere, WA. Are my numbers close? Or am I way off? Is this potentially a good deal? If it is a good deal, I could use some mentoring on this project. I don't know what the appropriate compensation would be. If it is a good (great?) deal, is there anyone interested in investing on the project?

Sorry for the length, but I want to give all relevant details and show that I'm serious (but have a lot to learn). A true mentor would be great. Thanks in advance for the replies.

Post: Analyzing a Brrr deal

David SweeneyPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Seattle, WA
  • Posts 65
  • Votes 29

Question: If the back end is $200k, are you taxed on the difference? Would it be 50k difference on the house + Rehab/Carry cost? Or a tax on 100k if you look at the difference in purchase price?