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All Forum Posts by: David Thompson

David Thompson has started 7 posts and replied 875 times.

Post: What Type of Investor Best Suited for Apartment Syndication

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
  • Votes 1,127

Hi Byran,

Here's a blog on top 5 reasons to consider passive investing over active for most investors who appreciate real estate but just don't have the time, interest or skills to find / manage actively.  Additionally, a hybrid approach is certainly fine and sometimes overlooked.  We may want some active positions so we can gain some experiences, have more control with properties close to home.  But for a large % of investors, to really diversify into some of the top commercial real estate niches, take advantage of different growth markets around the country and with operators who are totally focused on this as a business, it makes sense to me that syndications and passive positions are excellent opportunities for achieving your goals.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/9145/79026-why-i-favor-passive-vs-active-investing

Post: Syndication and raising capital

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
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thanks @josh

Hi Joseph,

It's definitely a team game and someone who thinks they can go big doing it all themselves is short sighted or has no life or both.  Capital is king and will always be.  Here's some of the essentials I've synthesized to about 5 key points learned in working on about 25 syndication deals and raising close to $100m (see blog post link below) 

I'll give you a few other ideas right here, if you feel you are selling something you are doing it flat out wrong.  Or, if you hated sales like I did after flunking miserably at that pursuit when I got out of college many years ago, carry on.  You are in the education and opportunity sharing game.  Controlled passion, being educated, working with great partners, sharing with others and providing them a great customer experience end to end is what its about.

Second, its the long game.  Now I did this in 3 years so how long is that.  If you love it, it's peanuts and you are not working anyway so your stamina and energy is off the charts.  To some who are in a hurry as in" I need capital for the next deal or one I have now " , these tips aren't much help.  

My top 2 specific tips would be:  Work alongside and join experts - think why would a lender or investor want to give me capital with little or no experience - you make it way harder on yourself like swimming upstream.  Later when you gain that experience, you can be your own lead.  Secondly, develop a thought leadership strategy that you are consistent with and see your network grow providing great content overtime.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/9145/67627-raising-capital-top-5-essentials

Post: Investment Choices: Cardone Capital vs Self Storage

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
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Thanks Brandon.

Carlos,

25 years of data suggest that MHPs are most resilient to downturns. In 2009, only asset class in CRE that did not drop in NOI growth. Second would be self storage as long as you are not in a market that is over supplied. Value add class B MF properties hold up well too. Class A vulnerable, office, retail, sectors to tread carefully in an extended market. The future demographic, economic and life style trends continue to favor these niches as well. Here's a blog on niches for downside protection and why we stay here for now.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/member-blogs/9145/74876-growth-with-downside-protection-3-all-weather-niches-to-invest-in

Post: "Syndicators" with no operational experience

David ThompsonPosted
  • Investor
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
  • Votes 1,127

Hi Chihiro,

Thanks for the call out but I wanted to clarify a few points around "operators" vs "syndicators".  Syndication is the pooling of assets from investors to go purchase something that is hard to do on one's own as commercial assets are often far more expensive.  There are very sophisticated syndicators who don't operate anything.  In fact, most investment firms don't.  The sponsor / syndicate carefully vets markets, niches and operators, then select the long term operator partners that they feel will help them and their investors preserve and grow their capital.  It's great for investors to have choices,  diversification by geography, niche and operator.

Some of the most famous names you know in investment world do just that.  They do their own due diligence, have their own analysts, do their own modeling, create their own PPM, marketing materials, tour the property w/the operator to understand clearly the business plan, making suggestions on strategy, maintain the relationship with the investor base over the entire life cycle of the deal, creating reports, answering questions, managing distributions, K1s, etc. 

They have input to the operator but they don't operate the project.  Their reputation is on the line every bit as much as the operator so they must know everything about the project, deal, team, etc. Simply suggesting that folks engaged in working with investors, educating them don't know much about the project, are not educated, don't do their own due diligence, are not close to the operators or exercising a key role on the team is seriously missing the point.  

In my experiences (20+ syndication deals), sponsors can also bring even better value to their investors than what operators provide.  We have institutional operators we partner with that have $500K minimums with tremendous track records. Most of our investor base would love to have exposure to work with them so we syndicate the deal for our investor base and give the operator a check for $5M to $10M but while lowering the minimums to say $50K or $100K.  We also can arbitrage deals where the operator has a 50/50 split but we negotiate better terms because we can provide one large check and may get a 70/30 split, then turn around and give our investors an advantageous 60/40 split.  We manage everything on the back end including reporting, accounting, investor relations, etc. You step back and say, hey, aren't you capital raising, heck yeah, but doing a significant amount of other roles, most importantly adding great value to our investors.

Bottom line, we have to know everything that the operator knows because where do you think the questions come from?  It's Investors.  Who answers them?  The sponsor.  Who's closest to the investor?   Who's reputation is on the line, the syndicate and the operator.  Are we team members, you bet.  Are we part of the operators GP agreement, you bet.  Is it all on the line, reputation, results, you bet.

If you are contemplating raising capital as a critical role in a GP or sponsoring deals or syndicating deals and selecting operators, you need to have an attorney trained in SEC and your state laws to understand what you can do.  I won't go into all the details here but my point is to highlight a bit more what's happening in the industry and ensure folks know its a team sport, that there are clear distinctions between an operator / sponsor and sometimes they are one and the same, and that the person who may be raising capital should both practically and legally have a broad based role in the GP partnership.  You should vet both the operator/ sponsor whether they are one and the same or operating as separate companies.  Here's some tips on vetting sponsors / operators you may find helpful.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/53959-vet...

Post: How to Determine the Credibility of a Syndicator

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
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Hi William,

As a syndicate that works with several operator partners across three niches I created 10 tips from an insider on vetting sponsor / operators.  I hope you find this useful.  Thanks Chris Collins for the plug as well.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/53959-vet...

Post: $10,000/mth Passive Income

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
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Hi Balane,

There are several ideas out there that could get you say min 8%.  There are certainly lending strategies but if you are relatively young and want to live on that you'd have it in taxable accounts and have no tax advantages.  You also don't get any longer term appreciation opportunity.  You could also look at syndication deals as a passive investor since you mention more about the income and what it can do for you like quit the job, travel, etc.  

Syndication deals in commercial real estate are passive investment that often come with significant tax advantages that you should think about given you want to live on this money.  Many deals we review pay a min 8% preferred return which is not a guarantee but the next best thing as it prioritizes you being paid before the general partner gets their split.  Return projections can get up to the mid teens over time with a combination of income and profits at sale in say 5 to 7 years or so depending on market conditions.  I'd favor core plus holdings in solid areas.

Since you are not accredited, you will have more limited choices but there are deals out there that allow some non accredited investors and that's what I'd focus on for now.  I particularly like value add MF apartments, self storage and manufactured home parks. These 3 niches have performed very well over the past 25 years and held up the best during downturns like 2009.  Here's a few blogs that might help w/your education and understanding of your options.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/74876-gro...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/53820-why...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/53959-vetting-an-apartment-deal-sponsor---10-tips-from-an-insider

Post: BEST EVER Conference – Feb. 22 & 23, 2019 in Denver, Colorado

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
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Look forward to attending Joe !  My 3 time around and enjoy connecting with familiar faces and meeting new contacts.  Continue to like to see new niches discussed and update on current CRI niches.  @Andy Goldberger@Spencer Hilligoss@Michael Bishop

Post: Private Money for Apartment Investing, Wholesaling and Finance

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
  • Votes 1,127

Hi Greg,

Some good points above.  Always starting in your inner circle makes sense but if you are in it for the long game you will want to learn more strategies around building a thought leadership platform and expanding your network.  Be an educator not a sales person and you'll attract more folks that way.  My number one tip is what @Todd Dexheimer mentions.  Partner with experts to quickly gain credibility and experiences.  That is what investors are going to want to ask you hence its difficult to raise capital starting out on your first deal w/o that experience set.  Leverage others and you will get their much faster, then break off to do your own deals once those investors see you have helped them get more successful.   I've raised a ton of funds and these are the top 5 essentials that I've learned.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/67627-rai...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/72807-how...

Post: I don’t understand how they do it

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
  • Votes 1,127

Hi Jason,

Syndication (pooling  investor money) and partnering with folks that have the balance sheet (rent their portfolio) to give them a piece of the sponsorship / general partnership is a way he may have gone.  You can find great operators, property managers, essentially build the team.  As you get more experience and your equity in the properties rise if they are doing value add deals then eventually and surprisingly quickly they could be leveraging into other deals, bankers gain more confidence in them, etc.

Syndication is the fastest way to do it if you are not wealthy to start and leveraging folks that have capital to be on your side w/the banker and give them a piece of the action is something we see often w/new syndicates.

Couple blogs that may help.  Essential tips on raising capital and 25 FAQs on syndication.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/67627-rai...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/65780-syn...

Post: New investor with 500k

David ThompsonPosted
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  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 933
  • Votes 1,127

Hi Robert,

Here some areas in syndication worth looking into.  These niches have good downside protection when purchased in good growth markets with solid operators.  The second link is 10 tips for vetting sponsors you may find helpful.

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/74876-gro...

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/9145/53959-vet...