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All Forum Posts by: Da Deep

Da Deep has started 6 posts and replied 60 times.

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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David, I really appreciate your help. I'm going to get all these answers over the weekend. At this point, I'm just trying to "ramp up" to get a head start on the process, so that I'm better informed before I go to meet the seller.

A month ago, the seller wanted 730k "700 to pay off the bank and 30k for me to walk out of this place". I felt he's on crack and forgot about it. Four days ago, the seller left 3-4 voicemails for me, saying he's willing to short sell and that I can have the house for 600k. That's about all I know for now.

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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Thanks all, for clearing that up for me. Somebody needs to edit/delete the article http://www.biggerpockets.com/articles/99-9-key-s-to-short-sale-success :

"When you short sale only first mortgages you have to pay all cash"

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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Originally posted by Tony Lindsay:
Da Deep, You may be able to purchase with 40% down but no one here can answer your question as there are a number of other things that are taken into account for a mortgage.



All I'm trying to ascertain is: Does a short sale *mandate* that a buyer come up with all cash for the amount acceptable to the bank? That's what the article seemed to suggest.

I have a credit score approaching 800 and everything else makes me an excellent candidate to get a mortgage but all that is useless if a short sale deal requires all cash.

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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Originally posted by Mark Yuschak:
Appraisals and BPOs are never expressed in terms of what sold five months ago.

I agree. I'll call the township records office tomorrow to get sale prices of homes within the last 30 days.

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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In an article posted on BP:
http://www.biggerpockets.com/articles/99-9-key-s-to-short-sale-success

The author says that the buyer needs to come up with CASH at closing. I was planning on putting 40% down and getting a mortgage for the rest. Can't I do that?

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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Originally posted by David Peeples:


A lot has changed in 5 months.

What would that similar house have sold for in 2001?

So you're saying homes are going NOW at 2001 prices? Perhaps where you live but definitely not around here. There are several properties that have sold for 550k+ in the past month that sold for 200k in 2001.

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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Thanks Tony. I'm definitely going to hire an attorney and get a home inspection done. I don't plan to skimp on things that, like you said, can put me at substantial risk.

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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Originally posted by David Peeples:
What city and state are you in?

I'm not trying to be a buzz-kill, but I do short sales all day, every day. I urge you to be careful about your valuation. Just because it's cheaper than comparable stuff, does not mean that it is a good buy...never mind a great buy.


I'm in a suburb of Philadelphia PA. Not sure I understand what you're trying to convey. If the house next to it sold for 700k five months ago and I can get it for 550k, how's that not a good deal, apples-to-apples?

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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oh, I also found out the HO has been arrested a few times. disorderly conduct, resisting arrest, drunk driving. So, not only do I have to deal with the immense uncertainty of a short sale coming to fruition, I also have to deal with a seller who has personality problems :) I called him around 6pm on a weekday and he was definitely tanked. Not a good sign.

Post: Buying FSBO Short Sale Without Agents

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Originally posted by David Peeples:
I can tell you where he is: no where.

If he does not have an offer, then I can guarantee that he has not gotten very far with the lender...unless it is a local bank.

Let's take a giant step back-wards. What is the rationale as to why $550K is a good buy?

Can you define "market" price?

Is that what other people are asking for similar properties?


Well, it's a small development. One house got sold in July 08 for 700k. Another got sold in June 08 for 600k but it is a smaller house on a smaller lot. I saw two other houses that are on the market, listed for 700-720k. If 550k is not a great price, it is definitely a good price.

Overall, you're right that the home owner is largely clueless. This is going to be very tough to close. I'll learn a lot more on Saturday when I go to see the house and meet with the owner.