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All Forum Posts by: Colby Burt

Colby Burt has started 6 posts and replied 62 times.

@Dave Stokley And yet, it happens, both with and without a significant premium.  Rich Munroe in Atlanta does it with his 50+ rental arbs, as an example.


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@Drew Sygit He would have a provision in each lease stipulating that if regulations prevent rental arbitrage, the lease is voidable at his option with a certain amount of days advanced notice provided to the lessor, and no or nominal fee paid to the lessor.  


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@Andrew Zack Jenkins

So, what happens if you secure several long-term rental contracts to rent out as STR and the local municipality then passes legislation making STR's illegal?

What are you going to do then?


That's delusional. No sane landlord would sign a lease with that provision unless you were paying a huge premium.
@Drew Sygit He would have a provision in each lease stipulating that if regulations prevent rental arbitrage, the lease is voidable at his option with a certain amount of days advanced notice provided to the lessor, and no or nominal fee paid to the lessor.  


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@Andrew Zack Jenkins

So, what happens if you secure several long-term rental contracts to rent out as STR and the local municipality then passes legislation making STR's illegal?

What are you going to do then?

Post: Does Cold Calling Really Work?

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Quote from @Doug Pretorius:
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So you limit the call to asking whether they're thinking of selling, how much they want for it, when they want to sell etc. And follow up at their door with your offer to buy.

Although in the US that isn't too bad. It's only $66/year for each area code. Here in Canada it's $2,875.


 Good strategy. And, I agree $66/year per area code is fine.  But, what do you do when you pull a list by region or zip code, and you get many different area codes? (Or if you get different area codes from a list where the owners don’t live in the area?)

@Doug Pretorius

Sorry, forgot to tag you in my reply 

Post: Does Cold Calling Really Work?

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Quote from @Doug Pretorius:
Quote from @Colby Burt:

So you limit the call to asking whether they're thinking of selling, how much they want for it, when they want to sell etc. And follow up at their door with your offer to buy.

Although in the US that isn't too bad. It's only $66/year for each area code. Here in Canada it's $2,875.


 Good strategy. And, I agree $66/year per area code is fine.  But, what do you do when you pull a list by region or zip code, and you get many different area codes? (Or if you get different area codes from a list where the owners don’t live in the area?)

Post: Does Cold Calling Really Work?

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Quote from @Doug Pretorius:
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It's very clear from the rules Braden posted that the DNC is nothing more than a tax. The government saw a lot of business being done by phone and a lot of voters upset about getting called. So they killed two birds with one stone. They give their constituents a feel-good list they could opt-in to and get to charge businesses for access to that list. And if you don't pay to play you can get fined heavily.

I am curious if anyone has tested out the limits of surveys though. Surveys are exempt from the DNC rules. So can't you just call through neighborhoods asking the survey question: "Are you thinking about selling in the next X days/months?"

 @Doug Pretorius Do Not Call FAQ #9. If a call included a telephone survey and a sales pitch, is it covered? Yes. Callers purporting to take a survey, but also offering to sell goods or services, must comply with the do not call provisions. But if the call is for the sole purpose of conducting a survey, it is exempt. 

Post: Does Cold Calling Really Work?

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Quote from @Braden Smith:

Cold calling works at scale, meaning you will need to call hundreds and hundreds of numbers to get a deal. In order to do this, you need a large list and you will need to have it skip traced. Much like many other things, you get what you pay for with skip traced data. If you go with the cheapest option the data will be garbage.

Just FYI, there are some new rules a regulations you need to abide by when it comes to cold calling if you want to keep yourself out of trouble. The government is cracking down more and more on cold calling, SMS marketing, RVMs, etc.

See here for the most up to date info:  https://www.reiblackbook.com/g...

Take notice of the following section that reads as follows:

What You Need to Know About the National Do Not Call Registry

In order to understand how this impacts your real estate investing business, let’s take a closer look at the National Do No Call Registry.

Within the DNC, there are 3 types of organizations or functions; seller, telemarketer/service provider or exempt organizations.

A seller may also be a telemarketer if it is calling on its own behalf or if it retails one or more telemarketers to place calls for it.

You, as an investor, will want to register as a “seller”.

Every seller should subscribe to specific area codes, pay appropriate fees and agree to certification requirements in order to receive a Subscription Account Number (SAN).

The DNC Registry requirements are as follows:

• Annual subscription by area code
• You must maintain an in-house DNC list and sync it with the nation registry at least once every 31 days. (The national DNC is updated daily at 8AM)
• Data for up to five area codes is free. Beginning October 1st, 2020, the annual fee is $66 per area code of data (after 5) for up to a maximum annual fee of $18,044
• Companies that have provided the required identification and certification and paid the appropriate fees will be allowed to check a small number of telephone numbers (10 or less) at a time via interactive internet pages. This will permit small volume callers to comply with DNC requirements of TSR (Telemarketing Sales Rules) without having to download potentially large lists of all registered telephone numbers within a particular area.

What happens to companies that don’t pay for access to the registry?

Any company that is a seller and/or telemarketer could be liable for placing any telemarketing calls (even to numbers NOT on the registry) unless the seller has accessed the registry and paid any required fees. Violators may be subject to fines of up to $43,792 per violation. (Each call may be considered a separate violation.)

@Braden Smith Thanks a ton for this information.  It is very helpful to a newbie trying his hand at off-market cold calling.  One question I have is, if you can run up to 3 phone numbers through the national do not call list, and if all 3 numbers come back as not being registered (aka, it is permissible to call), why do you need to register your business and pay any associated fees?  I see your post about "any company that is a seller could be liable for placing any telemarketing calls (even to numbers NOT on the registry), but I am confused on why.  Thank you.

Post: Best skip tracing services?

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Quote from @Caitlyn Drapeau:

Hey everyone! I'm new here to BiggerPockets. I am a full-time Realtor in NH & ME. A few months ago I started attending a local investors meeting and have become obsessed with learning about real estate wholesaling. As a result, I have been meeting with other wholesalers and picking their brains to see how they run their business. Every wholesaler I have spoken with talks about skip tracing. I would like everyone's opinion on their experiences with skip tracing and which ones you have had the most success with? Thank you so much :) 

 @Caitlyn Drapeau What service did you end up using?  I am using batchskiptracing and it seems good.  I also used the coupon code @James Heller mentioned and it works.  Thanks, James!

Post: Astro Flipping Wholesale Contracts

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Quote from @Skip Collins:

Before anyone blasts me for not having a profile - I just bumped into AstroFlipping webby and found this thread so I created an account to chime in hopefully to save someone from paying that much for coaching.    Nothing new here. KeyGlee is just a master wholesaler with a mac daddy buyers list.  And their "AstroFlipping" program is just a way for them to collect several thousand dollars from you to teach you how to be a Wholesaler #1 and feed them deals etc      It's all about the LIST.   If you have the biggest and best list of buyers - other wholesalers will bring their deals to you to liquidate fast.   So as wholesaler #2 you have non-stop supply of wholesaler #1s feeding you deals.  You don't do any marketing or deal with sellers because you don't have to.  You are the man that has the list that sells it fast and that is what wholesaler #1s want.    So that is how you can "astro flip" so many deals etc.   Back before the last real estate crash when everything was humming, we worked with a really big wholesaler #2. He had a monster list and it was just magic.  He would instantly sell our deals so we sent all our wholesale deals to him.   Most of time he was selling to buy & hold landlord types who were happy with just a little bit of a discount under market value as they were playing long rental game.   So even on tight deals he would make lots of money.    But let me say this.  To make a statement that wholesaling is dead or is going extinct is just nonsense.  they talk ibuyers and tech trying to scare everyone but they don't know ****.  the truth is - the ibuyers and big tech funds don't want to deal with PROBLEM properties.  That is not the slice of pie they are targeting.   Problem properties are where wholesalers thrive.  Wholesalers FIX PROBLEMS.    They are problem solvers and because you will always have homeowners with problems - you will always have wholesalers.   The other thing is EQUITY.   You need to be able to find DISTRESSED SELLERS WITH EQUITY.  If no equity you can't astro flip anything. here is free tip for everyone thinking about paying all that money for coaching: what we do and have always done is buy dead people estate homes in real time.  I'm not talking about chasing probate court filing junk that happens seven months after the death which is so competitive you can't even get a deal.  I'm talking about Dad died last week and we are talking to family to work out the "problem home" they all inherited and put cash in their hands.   What "probate lead sellers" will never tell you is it usually takes the family several months to get around to finding a probate attorney and filing probate. So from the date of death you have a seven month window of opportunity to grab that deal because nobody knows it is even there.   The other thing probate lead sellers won't tell you because they don't study the data is that upwards of 50% to 70% of estate homes have prior estate plans where they completely avoid probate.  So these homes NEVER get to a courthouse probate filing.  So if you're working probates and battling thousands of competitors - know that you are missing out on 70% of estate homes that never go there.   Another tip:  95% of estate homes are F&C (because by the time mom and dad check out they are usually well past their 30 yr mtg amortization and have paid off the home) and usually the home is a brady bunch timewarp from the 1970s that need updating.  But mom and dad liked it that way because of all the memories with kids so they didn't change anything.   They usually have 3-4 relative heirs (kids) who are all usually broke and don't want to fix up mom and dad's home.  They just want and need their inheritance money fast - so they are already preframed to sell to an investor at a discount.    This is how to do monster equity flips.  Like high 5 and 6 figures doing wholesale double close deals.   This is what we've done for years.  We were crushing it during the last real estate crash in 2008 because we always knew how to find equity because equity lives in dead people homes etc.   We don't do ads either.  And we don't even use social media.    This is getting kind of long but bottom line is if you are Wholesaler #1 - find distressed dead people homes with lots of equity to get deep discounts from the heirs.  The best are real time dead people homes.  (not probate. probate is too late)   and then continue to build up your own buyers list to eventually become Wholesaler #2 so you can have other Wholesaler #1s feeding you deals.  There you go.  that is all you need to know.

 @Skip Collins Thank you so much. This write up was amazing and insightful. So, so helpful. Thank you for taking the time to write it. My one question is, how do you find “dead people” homes? What should I look for and where? I understand to avoid probate lists, but I’d love to find a resource(s) to be able to search, skip trace and contact the type of leads you recommend. 

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Are you open to working with a virtual accountant? My company is located in Virginia but we work with clients all over the country. 

@Richard Boyd 

I am, yep.  What is your website address?

Hi!

I am in need of an investor-friendly accountant who can help me with my taxes, including business expenses/write offs, investing using a self-directed IRA and any other real estate-related tax stuff. If you have any recommendations, please let me know.

Thanks!