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All Forum Posts by: Colby Burt

Colby Burt has started 6 posts and replied 62 times.

Apparently my post humbly asking for advice stirred up quite the hornet’s nest. Look at the replies I am getting. Quite the unwarm welcome. Can’t imagine this is what the BP family would want. Everyone can have their own opinions of course, but sheesh. You however wrote the most informative post and did it thoughtfully. I really appreciate it. 

Quote from @Bill B.:

Is your plan to lie when you fill out the background check for the “occupants”? I’m 90% sure any large apartment building will have a subsection about how subletting is not allowed, so make sure not to read that part. I assume you have a well established corporation you plan to lease this apartment under as they obviously sent going to rent their apartment to a “corporation” that owns nothing, produces nothing, has no credit and no money. 

You can see why rental arbitrage has such a bad name when every person that gets tricked in to tying it through the latest guru has no problem with starting off their “business” with lying to other businesses. 


Wow. Good of you to assume my intent was to lie. Thanks for that. 

I would be telling any would be landlord to run it as an airbnb. I only used the corporate lease terminology in my post because I saw that is the specific type of lease you need to use. 

Quote from @Paul Sandhu:
Quote from @Colby Burt:
Quote from @Paul Sandhu:

2 big red flags.  Arbitrage.  Corporate lease.  SMH.

Okay, Paul, that’s incredibly vague along with an unnecessary “SMH.”  Care to elaborate? You’re reply can’t get much more vague. 

 It's generally accepted on here that arbitrage is not a good idea.  Look at previous posts about arbitrage. 

Corporate housing.  That's pretty much a myth.  Why would they rent from you when they could rent from the entity that actually owns the property?  I've sent out hundreds of letters offering corporate housing.  None of them came to fruition.  The companies just give their employees a per diem and let them find their own place.


However, I did get a phone call yesterday from a guy that has stayed with me about 20 times.  His company has him guide about 6 of their top clients CEO's for a week long deer hunt here in Kansas.  The CEO's are all from Louisiana, and they probably spend 10 million a year with this guys company.  The guy that called me wanted 2 houses to put up his 6 clients that are going to be deer hunting.

Thank you for the elaboration. We aren’t on the same page. My intent is to run the property as an airbnb, and to do that with an apartment, you need a corporate lease. You need the apartment complex to approve your corporate lease. If that gets approved, you list it on airbnb and any other str sites you desire. 

You are talking about marketing to a specific group(s) of people and trying to entice them to stay at your place. Maybe you do direct bookings? I’m not talking about that. 

Lastly, for the sake of courtesy and professionalism, please refrain from comments or abbreviations that would make a person feel dumb for calling upon this great community for guidance. SMH? Come on. Wholly unnecessary. 

Thanks. 
Quote from @Paul Sandhu:

2 big red flags.  Arbitrage.  Corporate lease.  SMH.

Okay, Paul, that’s incredibly vague along with an unnecessary “SMH.”  Care to elaborate? You’re reply can’t get much more vague. 

Hi,


i'd like to do Rental Arbitrage for an STR in the Disney area (Davenport, Champions Gate, etc.) I'd like to start with a 1/2 bedroom apartment rented under a corporate lease. Do you know of any apartment complexes in these areas that allow corporate leases/STR? I will be calling the offices to inquire, but I thought perhaps you may already know of places that allow it and would save me time. Thank you.

Quote from @Brian Rice:
Quote from @Surinder Hothi:

Hey Brian, just saw your video, congratulations man, job well done, 

Question did u take his course or you just went out on your own


 well I bought his Lease Option Course... also Partnered with him but found that his offer was misleading so I went on my own and found other mentors. 

Did you do his partner program where you pay a large fee, then you partner 50/50 on rental houses? If yes, What happened?
Quote from @Nancy Brook:

I'm confused. Are you saying you got a discounted property on the MLS under contract and assigned it to another buyer for a fee?

Correct, that’s what he did. 
Quote from @Sean Carroll:

@William Camacho - good for you! This thread hasn't been too active but I'm looking for a manager as well. Curious with your single fam - what's been your findings/experience regarding the recent ban on short term rentals that the county says they are enforcing in Volusia County? Did you get the license from the city? Or are you in an area that's zoned for STR?


I am very curious about this question as well. I am considering an STR in Ormond by The Sea, but the ordinance prohibiting STR's frightens me.



Quote from @Kelly Asmus:

I'm a full-time broker and I also work with wholesalers. The wholesalers I work with only put properties under contract that are NOT on the mls. They find the properties on their own by knocking on doors/mailers/bird dogging/etc, put them under contract and then offer the properties to agents like myself, and others, who have potential investor/flipper buyers for these properties. 

This transaction works well since the property is not advertised on the MLS and the whole situation is above board and all parties understand it. I then bring my buyer client into the deal and they purchase the property. Whatever the purchase price is that is negotiated, the commission for my services is added on top of that. All parties understand this. The buyer is getting a property that isn't on MLS, isn't advertised, isn't in a bidding war, etc. All parties are happy.

I, and most other agents, won't write low ball offers for properties on the MLS, tie them up and waste the sellers time and the listing agents' time. This is not ethical since you have no intention of really closing. It also gives me a bad reputation in the real estate community if I'm constantly sending low ball offers that won't close - eventually you will get a bad rep and other agents won't work with you - or just disregard your offers as worthless. My reputation is important.

Wholesaling can work as long as it is done ethically and all parties are privy. 


 Hi Kelly,

I understand your points, and I very much appreciate you taking the time to reply so thoroughly. I certainly do not want a bad reputation. I always want to do things transparently and ethically. Wholesaling can be done ethically with on-market listings, though. And if an offer is made in good faith, a realtor is obligated to bring that offer to their client. Not doing so would be unethical. The only situation where a realtor would have the discretion to reject an offer out of hand without bringing it to their client is possibly if the seller set a floor price for offers, and if the offer in question was below that floor price. 

Additionally, if I as a real estate investor (which I am) submit a contract, either myself, one of my real estate partners or another yet to be named individual/entity intends to close on the property. I cannot speak for others who may truly have zero intention of closing, so generally speaking, I understand your point about that. 

But overall, my point is that wholesalers fulfill a need in the real estate space and when they operate in good faith, ethically and with transparency, there is no reason why they should be dismissed. 

Quote from @Mary Stewart:

I am a Realtor and do work with investors and have worked with some wholesalers in town that have made deals that were a win-win for all.  I have been contacted by many out of town wholesalers and I just can't get a grip on how a property can have two middle-men, a wholesaler and a Realtor, and both get paid on a low end property. I am an investor friendly Realtor and understand that speed  is important in selling a flip or rental . How do these wholesalers expect to compensate a Realtor?  We cannot be expected to go view properties, do comps, etc. for free for an out of town investor. I think there needs to be some ground rules regarding our time. An investor from out of town that would buy a property without having someone check it out is a fool.


 What if the wholesaler runs comps and does all their homework and uses you, a Realtor, to just write an offer sheet and submit it? That would take up very little of your time and could reward you big for minimal effort. I ask because I want to wholesale, want to be honest about it, and want everyone to win (seller’s agent, seller, wholesaler (me) and the end-buyer).