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All Forum Posts by: Clint Harris

Clint Harris has started 35 posts and replied 186 times.

Post: Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377

Ahh, I follow you now.  So why smaller properties... I’ve written about this multiple times before, but there is an inverse economies of scale phenomenon in our market.  A 1/1 does 35k in gross rents, a 2/1 does 43k, a 3/1 does 47k, but a 4 bedroom drops to 42k.... why is that?  It’s because smaller units have clientele that are much more nimble in the market place.  When Tom and jenny in raleigh aren’t working at Applebees and want to run to the beach tues-thurs, they choose one of our listings.  4-6 bedroom units have a significant dip in profitability, ESPECIALLY compared to the barrier to entry.  Purchase price on a 5 bedroom beach house is 600-800k, and that property is going to have 40% occupancy, and will do 50k in gross rents. Even though the average daily rate goes up, the occupancy drops.  The people that rent that listing are a family of 5 or more, week at a time, always summer, occasionally holidays or a wedding.  OR.  I can spend 400k for a triplex, 3 small units that do 35k, 43k, and day 47k respectively.  This isn’t a hard concept, the data is very clear.  One mortgage, one insurance policy, 3 cash-cow listings.

So why not just lock in a 10 year Master Lease?  Really?  Beach town is a secondary and tertiary market.  When times get harder, the toys are the first to go, the hunt club, the boat, the four-wheeler, the beach house... Do you really think it’s easy to find a property owner that is willing to rent his property for 10 years with a tenant in place, knowing that if they ever need to sell a new owner will want access?  We typically lock 2-3 year leases.  Haven’t had anyone try and get out, and actually have had 2 owners that later approached us about purchasing.  One we declined and still operate, the other we are closing in january.  I have zero interest in living in the arbitrage space for 10 years, we just use it to make an extra 100k that we can leverage into ownership, and then rinse and repeat.  Hopefully that answers your question, appreciate the dialogue!

Post: Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
I’m not sure what you mean?? Where did I come to that conclusion?  I don’t follow you.  If you’re talking about using Arbitrage on this 2/1.5 to build cashflow, and then move into the second property months later, I can do that for minimal investment and net 16-18k in year one and 24k+ in year 2 and 3.  I don’t know what 5/4 duplex we’re talking about, or if you’re talking about buying or what.  We use Arbitrage to create cashflow, and then cashflow to purchase multifamily properties.  

Originally posted by @Todd Goedeke:

@Clint Harris, how did you determine that a 2 bed/2 bath property would yield better ROI using leasing arbitrage rather than a 5 bed/4 bath duplex?

Post: Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
BP, AirBNB Superhost FB group, there are several, and Hosts of airBNB Automated FB group

Originally posted by @Joseph Eversman:

@Clint Harris what FB groups would you suggest someone interested in rental arbitrage join?

Thanks,

Joe

Post: Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
Yes, we use Master Leases, also known in NC as a Sandwich lease.  So far we haven’t had a property go away, that’s never been an issue.

Originally posted by @Todd Goedeke:

@Clint Harris , arbitrage does not go away if you treat it as a business structuring the lease accordingly. Are you familiar with master leases or otherwise known as triple net lease? Used in business world as a commercial lease they are used to lease real estate for periods up to 30 years. 

Post: Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377

Thanks for the input Michael! Yeah, there are policies now that cover the home and also have STR insurance, they are a little more, but reasonable. We also have a personal umbrella policy as well. Yes, trust me, I dont want to live in the Arbitrage space, but it has added tremendous velocity to our portfolio, and it's undeniable. It definitely can sound gimmicky, and I was very skeptical at first, but the data convinced me. I think you would be surprised at how many places Arbitrage works, I'm in several Arbitrage FB groups, and there are thousands of members from all over the world sharing best practices. That's having been said, it's definitely a means to an end. We own a duplex, and then used Arbitrage to at ford the rental triplex that we're closing on in January, and also used money from Arbitrage to help us partner on a quadplex in Kure beach that got delayed from friday, but is scheduled to close tomorrow at 9 am! I definitely understand john's Point, it makes sense, but he made that same point on one of my similar posts 6 months ago when we were out of money to invest, and now we have the cash to put down on the triplex. Arbitrage can always go away, but it's a means to an end.

Post: Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
Sure John, completely understand, I feel the exact same way.  That having been said, we crushed it with Arbitrage this past year, and I’m using that cash to put down 20% on a 400k triplex that I’m under contract on, and there’s no way I could have saved for that in a year.  If you’ve got another strategy to make 100k in a year without much start-up cash, I would love to hear it.  Our whole model is to leverage Arbitrage into ownership.  

Originally posted by @John Underwood:

I personally am not willy to have a business model based on using something that someone else ones and can decide to take back at some point in the future. I want to build a portfolio that takes care of me for as long as I choose to own it and pass down to my kids one day.

Post: Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377

Sounds like we’re in TOTALLY different markets.  This past summer we had 1,153 active listings in our town, and it dropped to a little over 400 in the off-season.  We focus on providing a great and clean product, and an automated and streamlined guest experience.  Besides that we know that small units perform best in our market so we focus on small multifamily units, 2-4 units, 1-3 bedrooms each.  We also list our properties under our super-host hosting platform and that helps with exposure.  Last we use the data from Your Porter to tell which listings are getting the most activity, and which first listing photo gets the most attention in order to optimize.  It’s a positive/negative feedback loop, so once the properties really start to perform, its very difficult for a competitor to catch up. 

Post: Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis discussion

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377

Short Term Rental Arbitrage analysis

This topic keeps coming up recently recently and I feel like a broken record, so thought I would post about it and share how I run an analysis on a potential arbitrage deal, and hopefully spark some discussion and learn how everyone else is doing it. I very much believe that every person knows something that I don’t especially in this group, so thought I would take the opportunity to try and learn from you all. I like using real numbers, so I’ll go through a real analysis that we completed recently.

Side by side duplex in our beach town, within 2 blocks of the ocean, one unit available for rent now at $1200 per month, the other available next October, so a while to wait. The unit in question is a 2/1.5, some recent updates, good location, and nice shape. I located this unit by going to Craigslist homes for rent, and turning on the “Map” function, and then looking at the parts of the island that I know do really well just based on our other units. I put together a list, cold called a few owners, and this guy and I hit it off. I’ve written other posts about that messaging, but this is just for the numbers. So before I called, here’s the analysis, let me know how y’all run yours.

First off, I alway run an AirDNA Rentalizer analysis. This property is 2 beds, 1.5 baths, and I ran the analysis at 4 guests (data has proven against the idea of max beds/heads here, and it’s not worth the hassle) AirDNA shows Gross Annual Revenue of $47,116. (Just ran it again to confirm, because it does fluctuate a little). Now this metric is as a Median performer in the market, meaning that it uses average occupancy, daily rate, seasonality, etc. We always use median metrics, and have so far always beaten those metrics soundly by trying to be a top performer and optimizing and streamlining our listings. PS, there can be a 7-10% standard deviation on this metric if you run the analysis just at the end of peak season versus off-season because it uses the previous 365 days of data, so account for that. The analysis on this unit shows Gross Annual Revenue of roughly 47k, average daily rate of $205, occupancy of 63%, and as expected, a seasonal Revenue Forecast. So here’s the analysis part.

We spend 25% of our gross rents on cleaning fees and airbnb fees after starting our own cleaning company, but I still run my analysis at 30%, which is what it was when we started. So 47k, multiplied by 0.7 is $32,900. Then I subtract my monthly rent, and utilities provided by previous tenants, which is $300 because our water is expensive. Our utilities will usually be less in STR than long term tenants, but thats the number we use. So that's $32,900 minus $18,000 (rent and utilities) which leaves $14,900. Divide that by 12, and we're looking at $1,240 per month profit over a yearly average. Our barrier to entry is that we need to make at least $1,000 per month per listing, so this hits that metric. A couple other things that are important though, we spend $4,000 to stage a 1/1 unit, an extra $500 for porch furniture if needed, and then another $1,000 per additional bedroom, so we'll stage this unit for $5,000. We use that number as a bargaining chip when speaking with the own to justify why we need a minimum of a 2 year lease.

Of course there are always some small Cap Ex, and we build most of that into our cleaning fee. We know that on average we spend $5.40 per booking on cleaning supplies, restocking supplies, coffee grounds, filters, and the occasional broken dish or stained towel, etc. Depending on the size of the unit, we charge $80, or $100 cleaning fees, and we pay $60, and $80 respectively, including laundry. That extra $20 covers that Cap Ex and restocking fees, and a little extra builds up for any larger Cap Ex that ever may occur. On some of our units, we are pet friendly and charge $50 pet fee per pet with a limit of 2. Over the year, those fees stack up and usually create another 3-5, depending on the property, some allowing 3 pets.

So even though we run our analysis using median metrics, between the small extra margins from our cleaning and pet fees, and the fact that the average occupancy for our town is 63%, but out occupancy over the past year and a half has been 88%, as long as we originally line ourselves up to hit that $1,000 a month profit, we set our selves up for fun surprises when it comes in higher than what the median prediction is.

OK, whew, long-winded. What do y’all do differently? Are there any other factors that have proven to help predict value? As our listings grow, it’s easier to lean on that performance more than AirDNA, but so far that still proven to be a solid benchmark for us. Anyone else have a better way?

Post: Just landed another STR ARBITRAGE, here’s the scoop

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
Smart man Jason!  Yep, this is our third Arbitrage deal, all multifamily.  Your exactly right, it creates tremendous cash flow that we invest into more STR multifamily, or hopefully soon, self-storage and multifamily.  Congrats on your success!

Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Originally posted by @Clint Harris:

Sorry guys, in Clint fashion, this is another long post, but there is some gold in here if you’re willing to dig for it.

It's quite simple man and I wouldn't listen to a lot of this stuff about how rental arbitrage is bad. 

Arbitrage allows you to make a lot of cashflow which you can then turn around and invest into real estate to build your equity. 

It's definitely not a house of cards and you aren't limited to becoming a property manager forever. Once you have enough free cashflow you simply hire a property manager, co-host, cleaning staff, PMS, etc. 

You then become the owner of the business. It's more of a business in the real estate industry that it is investing (technically). But it operates the same you just don't build equity. 

But to be honest with you why would you want to build equity in single family houses in the first place. In my opinion they are a bad investment. Their value is determined largely by comps not operations like commercial, they are expensive, they require an individual mortgage for each property you own, the buyers and sellers in that space are less sophisticated, etc. 

You're better off building up your arbitrage business, stacking a ton of capital to then invest in commercial assets. It's called the wealth triangle (high income job + scalable business = capital to invest in cash flowing, appreciating assets with tax benefits) 

That's what I do at least. 

Good luck!

Post: Just landed another STR ARBITRAGE, here’s the scoop

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
No, it’s not big, but definitely growing quickly. There are a LOT of people trying to do it, but the problems that I see is that people try to jump in without a track record of being able to operate on a high level, or they have trouble communicating the value.  It’s not a permanent solution, if you did arbitrage for 10 years and then stopped working, you would have nothing to show for it besides the cash you had made.  That having been said, it’s the fastest way that I know of to generate 80-100k a year with very little money down.  As long as you take that cash and move into ownership or other asset classes, its a viable strategy.  We got into our first arbitrage triplex due for $5 because thats what it cost me to get the owners number from whitepages.com.  He deferred the rent for 3 months, and we used zero interest for a year credit to stage, and were caught up on rent in 2 months, and had the credit paid off in 3.  Still, you have to know how to operate at a high level.

Originally posted by @Noah Mccurley:

@Clint Harris

I’ve been slowly watching the growth of arbitrage over the last few months, especially in social media. Is it big and I just don’t know about it or is it only starting to take off now?