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All Forum Posts by: Clint Harris

Clint Harris has started 35 posts and replied 186 times.

Post: Getting Started in Short Term Rentals (STR)

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377

It’s your responsibility to educate the property owner as to why you will be the best tenant they have ever had. If people arent going for your pitch, then you arent presenting it in the right way.  Here’s what you need to communicate. 

“I will be the best tenant you have ever had. I will have professional cleaners in your property every 2 to 5 days, if anything ever breaks like a window or a ceiling fan, it is no longer your responsibility to fix it as the property owner. It’s my responsibility. I take care of making sure it gets done before the next guest arrives. The people coming in and out of the property use it sparingly instead of living there permanently, so your Cap X are lower, and your appliances and flooring will last longer. I’m adding tremendous value to your property in terms of  Gross rents. When your property generates $30,000 and the identical property across the street generates $12,000 that adds value and build equity for you.  Paid first. We pay you on the first of every month, if we do a good enough job, then we get to keep what is left over above the rent, but you always get paid first,  your property continues to go up in value, someone else is paying the mortgage for you, and we are adding forced appreciation by keeping it nice, and pumping rental income through your property.”

 I typically offer market rent, or slightly above. You can offer some kind of profit share like up to five or 8% if you think that’s a creative solution that will get the deal done. The best thing to do is to target multi family properties where you have already run the metrics through air DNA and know that they will perform nicely. Once you get one unit, even if they just give you one to try out, as soon as the other tenants contracts are up, if you are operating correctly, they will give them to you. This strategy is a dream for a passive investor. They just sit back and collect money, and you take care of the property.

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
Originally posted by @Aris Mantalvanos:

Love to hear folks doing well with their STRs. I have a STR and a LTR a 1/4 mile apart at the Outer Banks of NC. The LTR is actually doing VERY well and even though it's less than a thousand sq ft, people WANT to live there. It's 2 blocks from the water. Since 2014, we've had 3 tenants and it's never been vacant. The times that I threw it out there because it was to be vacant, I have had people tripping over themselves to get in there. The STR does well, but when you factor in the expenses, (mortgage, HOA, utilities, cable and insurance) it's not as awesome as you'd think. BUT I have a place to stay that pays for itself AND it's a good tax deduction and is appreciating in value. So if you can keep the expenses down (main ones being Insurance and HOA) you should be able to kill it.

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
 Let’s talk about it! The beautiful thing about this strategy is that it often happens in places where people want to be, which means appreciation is a constant factor! Lay it on me, what’s your situation, how are things going, how is your market? 

Originally posted by @Loren Clive:

@Clint Harris congratulations on your investment success and the new baby! Your tale reminds me of my life here on Maui. Island life is good.

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
Sure Kate, good points, I’ve written posts about all of this, most recently about regulations.  It’s extremely easy to check regulations, we specifically picked this market because our town takes a tax on STR listings, which I’m extremely happy to pay!  We get to watch our community improve from those funds, and the town quickly gets very accustomed to that revenue, and it’s not going anywhere.  This is an island, which is great for a lot of reasons.  There is no hotel lobby to push for STR restrictions and regulations, traditionally that where that pressure comes from.  The fact that it’s an island also directly correlates to inventory.  You can say that there will be an overflow of inventory in a few years, but on an island, land is a commodity.  Where exactly is that inventory supposed to come from?  On top of that, this market has 1,153 active STR listings this summer, and it dropped to just over 400 last winter.  We have almost a million tourists a year.  The concerns you have done seem to fit the genetics of this market.  The duplex I’m parked in front of right now did $26,400 in gross rents 2 year ago with long term tenants in place.  After being converted to STR, it does 107k gross yearly, $74,900 after all fees (including insurance, wind and hail, all AirBNB fees, local taxes, flood insurance even though it’s out of the flood zone, and also paying for our $2 million umbrella policy)  this month each unit of the duplex is booked for $8500, and in the winter they do roughly 2k each.  I agree with you that LTR are a great proven strategy, but if my strategy is to put together a portfolio bringing home 150-200k within 18 months, you ain’t doing that with LTR.  Of course then we’ll diversity to multiplex, self-storage, etc, but STR in the right market is more than just “a little” better than LTR.

Originally posted by @Kate B.:

@Clint Harris Good info, and thanks for sharing the numbers that always helps when trying to visualize how someone processes their numbers workflow.

I've been an Airbnb host for 6+ years, founded a short term rental insurance company due to the damage that happens in STR listings, and invested in properties all over the world (Vietnam, Cape Town, Hawaii, Austin, Tulsa)

A few things that you left out of your post:

1. Regulation - it will catch up in any city you buy in, always check your zoning before putting offers in. It will sway in either way = pass or ban, but keep that in mind when looking for STR property.

2. Don’t forget to add in: permit fees, req’d addt’l insurance costs and necessary hotel or increased taxes you will pay when calculating your net profit.

3. Inventory - if there isn't a lot of inventory now there will be in 3-4 years, so STR's aren't for the long term hold. Once inventory catches up you're just in a price war with your neighbors a few blocks over and monthly profits don't look as svelte as Y1 and Y2.

4. Liability - if you don't have independent GL and E&O policy (if your co-hosting or property managing) you're asking for trouble to find you—and it will. There are countless guest lawsuits that will wipe out your whole livelihood, property portfolios and financial soundness.

Final thought:

The 50% more profit from STR vs Long term rentals seems pretty glamorous...it's like gambling at a casino and hitting 7's....and then the dealer changes (regulation/inventory)

There are over 2M STR listings in the US alone. I still believe long term rentals are the key to "long term wealth" which is why we intentionally keep a blend of STR and LTR in our portfolio.

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
Easy answer man, you’ve got your market picked out, which is a huge step.  You need to use the Rentalizer in a AirDNA.co.  Buy the cheapest membership you airDNA.  Start plugging in addresses of properties that you are looking at, and the Rentalizer will tell you exactly what kind of performance that property will have as a median performer in your market, complete with gross rents, average daily rate, occupancy, and seasonality.  Incredibly helpful info.  Try to find multifamily properties!

Originally posted by @Robert Jordan:

@clintharris I am interested in this STR concept. I currently have a couple SFH LTR's in the Denver metro which I purchased in 12' and 13'. They both cash flow nicely but I am sitting on a lot of equity. I am in the process of selling one of them as it was my primary up to 2 years ago (avoid capitol gains). I have been looking to reinvest the equity after the sale. My target areas are Summit or Eagle Counties, CO. Much like Carolina Beach they are tourist mecca's. The barrier to entry is 400k. I am looking at financing so I can pick up 3 or 4 properties if all falls in line. I had considered LTR's but the cash flow isn't there. Based on your experience where should I start? Data? Concerns? Advice? I greatly appreciate it.

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
We dabbled with the idea, but I believe in vertical integration.  We want to own the properties, the management, the cleaning company, the staging company, the handyman, and the marketing.  We have been looking at different ways of partnering, but haven’t found the right fit yet

Originally posted by @Jeremy White:

I think you mentioned a management company, is this something you are starting to do for other investors in the area who may be out of town or even local but looking for more passive approach? 

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
They should, yes!  Some people have done it under the radar, usually with bad results, but there’s no reason.  If you’re the property owner and I’m offering to partner with you on an Arbitrage deal, here is the message.  

“I’m going to be the best tenant you’ve ever had.  You get paid on time every month, possibly even slightly higher than the going rate.  You no longer have to worry about maintenance. If a ceiling fan, toilet, window, etc breaks, you don’t have to fix it like any other long term rental property does, it’s MY responsibility to get that fixed before the next guest arrives.  I will have professional cleaners in your property every 2-4 days for every turn over, and if there is ever any maintenance needed, we will know about it immediately instead of that leak going unnoticed for 3 months, and you don’t even have to pay to fix it, I do.  On top of that, I’m adding tremendous value to your property.  When the identical property next door shows 24k a year in gross rents, but yours shows 75k in gross rents, I just added a ton of equity to your property without lifting a hammer.  Last but not least, your property is still available for you to use when you want, unlike a traditional long term rental.  Let’s partner on making your property a super-performer, you will always get paid, and value will be created before I ever make a dime.

Originally posted by @Ryan Frank:

For arbitrage deals, does the owner know you will be re-leasing? I've never seen this done before so excuse the ignorance.

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
That part is pretty easy by using a property manager with a large portfolio.  If you hire a property manager with 100 active properties in your market, they can tell you exactly what you want to know.   Only problem that I kept running into was that the really good property managers get busy over time, and as they get busy, the quality of the service goes down. Either that, or over time they get burned out. Eventually I just learned that no one is going to mind my business the way that I mind my business. That’s why we are building a portfolio of vertical integration where we control everything in and out, from bookings, to cleanings, the handyman, everything. 

Originally posted by @Skyler Castillo:

@Clint Harris

Hey Clint I like the way you think! I also agree that data is very important in your real estate rental decisions. Are there any reliable resources you used for getting data on your long term rentals?

Post: Wilmington Investor Meet-Up

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377

We’ll be there

Post: I'm selling my long term rentals and buying beach property

Clint HarrisPosted
  • Investor
  • Carolina Beach, NC
  • Posts 188
  • Votes 377
Obviously there is risk with any strategy, and it’s important to have insurance, flood, wind and hail, etc.  Yes, 50 years from now we could all be under water.  But don’t think that a STR strategy only works at the beach, it’s everywhere. Nashville, Gatlinburg, the northeast, Pacific Northwest, it’s literally all over the world.  Yep, you can lose 2-4 months due to a hurricane (we did this past year, got hit by Florence directly, lost 2 months, still did 50k in our first unit). I look at all those as a type of Cap X that we prepare for.  There are a ton of different strategies, this is just by far the easiest one that will net 150-200k a year within a 3-5 year window, and that money can be used to mitigate risk by investing in LTR multifamily, self-storage, mobile home parks, whatever you want.  This is our strategy to leverage what we have and build pillars within our portfolio of different asset classes.

Originally posted by @Dan H.:
Originally posted by @Ross Kerne:

Originally posted by @Dan H.:

Climate change can affect RE, but not just Beach RE.   Fires in California, floods in Texas, absurd heat in Europe are just some examples.   

In San Diego we still have an STR duplex at the beach. We realize that there is likely to be increased risk from rising seas and changed weather patterns. So far that duplex has not been impacted like our ex Gulf Shores duplex.

The risk from weather related events must be factored in to any RE purchase.  

Good luck

Dan, Where were your condos in Gulf Shores and what year/storms did damage to your properties? We have a STR in Gulf Shores and Orange Beach. We do have insurance to cover lost rentals, but the magnitude of the storm will determine how long the unit is down.



In 2004 we got hit by Ivan. It resulted in around 80% of the properties, where our duplex was, being red flagged and having to be built with an additional setback from the beach. in 2005, we got hit by Dennis(?). It was not as bad in terms of red flagged RE. Our duplex survived both without needing to be relocated but in both cases suffered heavy damage. The entire under side was gone both times. Ivan resulted in damage to all areas of our duplex but nothing structurally bad enough to be red flagged.

We sold it around a decade ago. I was going to look in my BP profile to determine exactly when we sold it but my profile no longer shows the entered property records which is unfortunate as it is one way, in addition to votes, that provides some credibility to the investors qualifications (assuming they do not exaggerate their holdings).

Our return on this RE investment was minimal (on the positive we did not lose money). The property taxes prior to the hurricanes went up faster than the STR rents. STR PM eats a huge percent; STRs require a lot of work to manage. Then the hurricanes hurt the value shortly before the GR. If we sold prior to the hurricanes our return would have been much better.

The San Diego beach STR duplex has property tax protection (prop 13), cheaper insurance (never been hit by a hurricane), has appreciated over 4X since purchase and has higher rent (averages around $15k/month for the little duplex (total of ~1300' so average 650'/unit). However, purchasing it today would almost require STR to make money and their is anti STR sentiment at the state level and to a slightly lesser extent the city level. The risk is STR regulations eliminate the ability to STR the RE.