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All Forum Posts by: Cliff T.

Cliff T. has started 35 posts and replied 199 times.

Post: Anyone request loan forbearance / delayed payments?

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

@Alan Ford I'd highly recommend you chat with your loan officer to get more info on loan forbearance. The more I read about it, the less appealing it is. In particular, the loan modification (e.g. extending your loan terms at the end of the 90 day forbearance) that most banks are offering is not guaranteed -- sounds like consumers may need to "reapply" in some ways similar to a refi (i.e. prove COVID-19 hardship, etc.). Even in the screenshot you provided, the last bullet point clearly says your loan terms may be adjusted if you opt in to the longer-term options. At that point, if you've applied for hardship across all 3 of your loans and have missed payments for 90 days, your interest rate may rise across your entire portfolio.

You also mentioned you're planning to refi down the road... good luck doing that if you have 3 modified loans under your belt due to financial hardship.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. As I mentioned earlier, I think the best advice I have heard across the industry is if you can make your payments, continue to do so. Best of luck.

Post: Anyone request loan forbearance / delayed payments?

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

@Alan Ford - you should confirm with WF, but what I'm reading from your screenshot is you have loan forbearance for the next 90 days and then you receive deferment on any of those payments. So you are, in effect, accruing interest for the next 90 days. Your monthly payment will then increase at that point to make up for the difference.

Not a bad option they are providing you and glad to see the deferment in writing. But if you have the cash on hand / reserves to make payments now, that's the better route.

Post: Anyone request loan forbearance / delayed payments?

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

@Alan Ford - where are you seeing this? When I log in to my WF account and go through the COVID-19 assistance process, I see the following.. this is loan forbearance and not deferral.

Post: Anyone request loan forbearance / delayed payments?

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

Thanks all for clarifying. For those of you considering loan forbearance, it is critical that you realize that INTEREST IS ACCRUED on your missed payments.

To put numbers on this, on a $1m loan at 3.25% interest, it comes out to $90/day in interest. That's $8100 in INTEREST you have accrued if you keep loan forbearance in place for the full 90 days.

In other words, if you have the means to pay for you loan, you really should not be signing up for loan forbearance. Loan deferment on the other hand is almost always beneficial but not many lenders are offering that right now.

Post: Covid-19 Crisis - Take Forbearance or Spend Reserves?

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

@Steve Q. - can you confirm how interest is accrued during forbearance? Is interest applied to the entire missed monthly payment, the portion of the payment that is principal?

Post: Found a property in LV but worried about peak

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

Anyone with on the ground insight with how the market is being affected by COVID-19?

Post: Anyone request loan forbearance / delayed payments?

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

Just curious if anyone here has gone through the process yet. Everything that I have read thus far states that loan forbearance payments will be due as a lump sump at the end of 30, 60, or 90 days. In other words, you'll need to pay the full payment at end of the forbearance period. That's not very helpful at all and delays the inevitable.

Has anyone successfully reworked their loan terms and instead, find a way to get a lender to extend the term of the loan by 30, 60, 90 days?

Post: Coronavirus and late or no rent payments

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42
Originally posted by @Diane G.:

Dont want to cross across as un-sympathetic, but this corona event should serve to remind all investors that when the value is NOT there, don't buy the asset even when the whole world is buying...

For years, investors are buying up stocks and real estate even when the math does not make sense, just because other people are buying, just out of fear of missing out....Those will be at the risk of heavy loss...

Full disclosure - I kept my 401K in cash for the past 2 years, until last Thursday.....

So my fellow investors - keep dry powder and stay on the sideline when the numbers do pan out...For example, a forward P/E of 20 does not make sense in my books, a purchase to rent of 18 years in SF does not make sense....Wait until that P/E is 16 or the purchase to rent of 15 years..

Best wish to all

Well said Diane. Thanks for sharing and reiterating the importance of investing when fundamentals make sense.

Post: Lenders in Kansas City

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

Anyone have contacts at Bank 21 or NBKC? @Edo Y.

Post: Investing near Hickory, NC

Cliff T.Posted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • San Francisco, CA
  • Posts 215
  • Votes 42

Bumping this back up. Any thoughts on Hickory NC for rentals?