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All Forum Posts by: Cindy Joseph

Cindy Joseph has started 23 posts and replied 66 times.

Post: Landlords vs homeowners insurance

Cindy JosephPosted
  • Posts 66
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Quote from @John Mocker:

Cindy,

This is a question for your agent.  If it is a normal Homeowners policy for a 2 family dwelling and not separate deeded units, the policy should be considered owner occupied since you live there.  The rented unit would be a normal part of the policy.  We have Homeowners policies for owner occupied 1, 2, 3 & 4 family dwellings.  But, I do not know your policy and/or that company's underwriting guidelines so I could not say for sure.


 Thank you! The easiest thing to do would be to keep our current home owners and have it extend to the tennants. I believe it’s a single deed. I’ll check with the agent 

Post: Landlords vs homeowners insurance

Cindy JosephPosted
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Quote from @John Mocker:

Cindy,

How is the property deeded.  If it is one building that has two units then a Homeowners policy would generally be all you need.  If they are deeded separately (ie. each side could be sold separately) then generally you will need two policies, a homeowners for your side and a Dwelling Fire (aka Landlords policy) for the other side.  With all the turmoil in the FL market you need to check with your agent to make sure that the Homeowners Insurance company will insure duplexes.  If not, you should look for Homeowners Insurance that will.


 I currently have honeowners for both, I believe it’s a single deed. I read honeowners won’t protect me if it’s not owner occupied though (for the half that is rented)?

Post: Landlords vs homeowners insurance

Cindy JosephPosted
  • Posts 66
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Quote from @Owen Rosen:
Quote from @Glen Wiley:
Quote from @Cindy Joseph:
Quote from @Glen Wiley:

If you have an insurance claim with renters in the property and a homeowner policy I would expect the claim to be denied.

The benefit of landlord insurance is that it will actually cover you, if you try to rent a house out with a typical homeowner policy you are simply not covered (even though you are paying premiums).

Insurance is not where you want to go lowest bidder or look to cut corners - it is there to save your behind in the event of a major incident.


Thank you! Would I need regular home owners insurance and land lords insurance for the rental side of the duplex, or just land lords insurance? 


You will want homeowners for your side, landlords insurance for the other.

One advantage of landlords insurance is that the rates tend to be lower than homeowners rates because you do not insure the contents of the home. The renters get insurance to cover their belongings.

 You typically can't split the sides of a duplex like that.  Also, in many areas that's not the case with regards to cost/coverage because the risk is different in an owner-occupied property vs. one that is occupied by a renter.  Meaning the owner cares more and is more attentive!

 Thanks! So I would want to keep my  honeowners (which covers the entire duplex right now) and also get land lords ?

Post: Landlords vs homeowners insurance

Cindy JosephPosted
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Quote from @Owen Rosen:
Quote from @Cindy Joseph:

I am looking out to rent out half a duplex. I am living in the other half. Currently located in Indiatlantic FL. Given the age of the home and proximity to the water, the landlord’s insurance we qualify for is not that great. It excludes mold and has a water limit which I’m worried about. Is landlord‘s insurance required? Would I be able to keep our current homeowners policy and then get an umbrella –Would this be enough for liability? What benefits do landlords insurance offer compared to regular home owners? I would have the renters get renters insurance. This is my first attempt at an investment property so would appreciate any help. 


 This question really can't be answered without knowing what you actually have now and what's available to you.  If you are living in one of the units and you purchased proper insurance to begin with (indicating the property is a duplex and that one unit will be rented) you are likely OK now.

One thing I wanted to note is that you remarked mold is excluded from the landlord insurance but mold is usually excluded on most property insurance in general - unless it develops from a covered loss.

Again, these are generalities.

 Thanks, I interpreted it as mold is excluded if it developed in the future- it would not be covered even if it was from a covered loss. I’ll double check with the agent. 

Post: Landlords vs homeowners insurance

Cindy JosephPosted
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Quote from @Glen Wiley:

If you have an insurance claim with renters in the property and a homeowner policy I would expect the claim to be denied.

The benefit of landlord insurance is that it will actually cover you, if you try to rent a house out with a typical homeowner policy you are simply not covered (even though you are paying premiums).

Insurance is not where you want to go lowest bidder or look to cut corners - it is there to save your behind in the event of a major incident.


Thank you! Would I need regular home owners insurance and land lords insurance for the rental side of the duplex, or just land lords insurance? 

Post: Landlords vs homeowners insurance

Cindy JosephPosted
  • Posts 66
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I am looking out to rent out half a duplex. I am living in the other half. Currently located in Indiatlantic FL. Given the age of the home and proximity to the water, the landlord’s insurance we qualify for is not that great. It excludes mold and has a water limit which I’m worried about. Is landlord‘s insurance required? Would I be able to keep our current homeowners policy and then get an umbrella –Would this be enough for liability? What benefits do landlords insurance offer compared to regular home owners? I would have the renters get renters insurance. This is my first attempt at an investment property so would appreciate any help. 

Post: Weeds in pavers

Cindy JosephPosted
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Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Cindy Joseph

You would need to remove them and put a barrier down. Or weed killer every year as another option depending on cost to remove and reinstall


 Weed killer yearly would be sufficient to control the weeds (without a barrier)?

Post: Weeds in pavers

Cindy JosephPosted
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Quote from @Alan F.:
Quote from @Cindy Joseph:

We purchased a duplex last year. The previous owner did backyard  pavers without a weed barrier underneath in the backyard. There are significant amount of weeds growing between them. Would a  sealant work to stop the weeds? Or do we need to remove and repave the entire area? Any other suggestions for the most cost effective and long term solution?


 FWIW weed barriers are not the end all. They can cause drainage and run off issues. Plus dirt and weed seeds can settle on top thus more weeds. I would simply find some environmentally friendly weed killer and (most importantly) deterrent. I've had great success with various products. They can be state specific though. I'd seek out a local nursery (not box store) that are knowledgeable in the local flora. 

I like pavers, in many ways they are better than concrete. There's always pros and cons to every form of item we use in construction.


 Thanks! 

Post: Weeds in pavers

Cindy JosephPosted
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We purchased a duplex last year. The previous owner did backyard  pavers without a weed barrier underneath in the backyard. There are significant amount of weeds growing between them. Would a  sealant work to stop the weeds? Or do we need to remove and repave the entire area? Any other suggestions for the most cost effective and long term solution?

Quote from @Eric Jubeck:

I think the other question to ask yourself is which flooring will yield higher rental rates? Are these units tastefully updated where one would expect new vinyl planks to go with the look and/or the market area? Or are these more like Old FL Cottage style units with a coastal vibe that the Terrazzo flooring fits the units and competing units for rent? I would base the decision more on which one matches the property and market more and will bring in the best ROI!


 I think terazzo would look better but worried about the durability of it with tennants