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All Forum Posts by: Chris T.

Chris T. has started 44 posts and replied 339 times.

Post: Going back to Cali....

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

I'll also share my impression of the market in the San Diego area.

My impression comes from the many investors that call me wanting to sell the properties that they own here in Amarillo. They all tell me that they lost a lot of money over the past year and a half and they are wanting to cash out. They also have told me that the prices have dropped in CA and they want to use the money from the sale to purchase more property in CA. I have also talked to several investors who are wanting to sell their properties in CA but they have negative equity, much like AZ, so there isn't much you can do except short sales on the properties.

Obviously, people where paying too much for properties in CA for awhile and the bubble popped. Unlike some people who think that it takes a long time for the market to bottom out I believe that the market corrects itself rather quickly and that now is a good time to buy in the San Diego area.

I target properties with equity and that have been owned for at least 10 yrs so the bubble doesn't really apply.

Anyways, what are some of your thoughts on the market in CA?

Post: I hate Cold Calling

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75
Originally posted by Chris Trook:

2.) Combining cold calls with other useful tasks, such as, skip tracing, data entry, posting ads to craigslist, gathering courthouse leads, sending letters, follow-up marketing, market analysis, gathering cash buyer info.......etc.


Maybe you missed that part of my post!

I also have a list of 75,000 properties in my area which includes the owner's info who have owned their property for at least 10 yrs. None of the entries have a phone number and I have no idea what their motivation level for selling would be.

Researching every property, gathering info, talking to owners, and entering the data in a data base alone would be 37,500 hours if you only spent 30 minutes per property. That would take about 2 yrs to accomplish at 30 hrs a week.

My goal is to have a database with every property that may have equity listed in my database. That way when ever I talk to a seller about a property I can cross reference it with my database and will already have property info, owner info, contact info, tax appraisal, ARV, offer price, notes, etc......

Post: HML as exit strategy in wholesaling

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

There are definitely benefits to wholesaling by purchasing a property then reselling it.

Mainly, if you know it's a good deal, then you can hold on to it until you get the price you are wanting for it without stressing out about having to back out of the deal. You will also be able to clean it up a bit and show your vacant property which is a lot easier then trying to show an occupied house that you haven't even closed on yet.

As I mentioned before, using an HML for this strategy may not work very well. Ideally, you will want to borrow money from your local banks at a much lower interest rate. If credit is the issue then improving that should be your first priority. There are credit specialists that can clean up your credit through the dispute process.

HML's can be used for wholesaling REO's, kind of like transactional funding. But you will need your end buyer in place.

The biggest danger in using an HML for wholesaling is that if you can't sell it they take the property and ruin your reputation.

Post: Going back to Cali....

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

Ok, I've never really been there so I'm not going back but I like the song!

I am considering opening a Wholesale branch in the San Diego, California area (the closer to Temecula the better). I am currently in the research and networking stage.

If you have a good working knowledge of the area then I would like to talk. Please share your knowledge and experiences on this thread. Here are a few questions to get this started.

What are some good low-income neighborhoods that are at least 30 to 40 yrs old and have a good volume of home sales?

What areas would you consider "War Zones?"

Do you know of a good investor friendly title company/agent in the area?

Do you know of any good investor friendly realtors who may, or may not, allow access to the MLS? (pm)

Wholesalers, Rehabbers, Landlords, Contractors?

Local REI Clubs?

What is your general impression of the market over the last 6 months?

Share any stories or past experiences that you wish as related to investing in the San Diego, CA area!

Post: Just the FAX please!

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

I have an all-in-one printer, cable internet, and phone service through cable as well. A splitter is hooked up to the back of the cable modem and one line goes to the phone while the other goes to the printer.
I also prefer to scan and email but some people still use the bleep'n fax machine.

Post: HML as exit strategy in wholesaling

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

What I understood from your original question is, "does it make sense to use a HML to go ahead and buy a property if you can't assign or double close within your "option period?" then, continue to try and wholesale it.

Simply put you would be buying the house then reselling it for the same price you were originally going to sell it for. That would still be considered wholesaling but your profit would shrink by however much your loan costs you upfront, on the end, and monthly. That wouldn't leave you with much or any profit unless you considered all of that going in.

As for what has already been discussed.
I agree that wholesaling, and rehabbing are both exit strategies.

Adding a few rehabs is a good idea when you are ready and able. You will probably need to have enough money to pay for the rehab. What you should do in the future is determine how long you can market a wholesale property before it becomes a rehab. Most likely it will be however long that assignment fee that you were planning on will last while you are making payments to your HML. You'll need to figure out at what point the wholesale property becomes a rehab. Account for the time that it is going to take to complete the rehab.

My plan consists of A, B, C, and D. I plan to wholesale every property (A), if I don't wholesale it then I rehab it to retail (B) if I can't retail it within 90 days then I carry the note (C) and if it doesn't sell within 60-90 days then I rent it. (D) {sometimes I just purchase to rent, rehab, or carry the note exclusively with no other plan. although I still try to wholesale them first}

When you have multiple exit strategies and backup plans you have to account for it up front. So, your purchase price would need to allow for you to make a profit even if you had to exercise plan D.

Your biggest goal is to keep all of your expenses under 15% of ARV and try to net 15% of ARV.

The expenses that you will need to consider are:

You buy a house at 65% of ARV ($65,000) - repairs ($15,000) - your assignment fee ($10,000). That puts your purchase price at $40,000.

HML charges 3 pts up front ($1,200) and 2 pts ($800) when you sell it amoritized for 30yrs at 12%. ($412/mo)

You figure that the rehab will take 60 days and it will take at least 90 days (plan for 120 days) to sell it. ($1,648)

Remember, the Realtor will charge you 4% (or more) to sell it and you may end up paying for the buyer's closing costs ($4,000+).

You still have to factor in other holding costs such as insurance, pro-rated taxes, your portion of closing costs, utilities, etc...

After 120 days on the market you will cancel or allow your contract with the realtor to expire and you won't have to pay commission. Keep in mind that your other expenses are ongoing.

After 90 days of marketing your property as OWC then you put a for rent sign in the yard.

This plan assumes that you are only trying to wholesale a property during your option period. If you try to wholesale it longer then you will need to consider additional holding costs; from the time you close on it until you decide to begin the rehab.

My goal is to never get past plan A (and haven't yet) so if you end up past plan A then you need to revise your property analysis.

For each property you can create a timeline to account for every step in your action plan.

Post: Need some advise - want to invest 10k

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

Well you could buy a list and send out some mailers. Then, put a good deal under contract and double close. You don't really go around telling people you are a wholesaler. If you have an awesome deal, which you should as a wholesaler, then you can call your buyers and they'll snatch it right up! When you double close the only thing the buyer will know is that you own a property and they are buying it from you.
(have a title search done before you drag an investor into an ugly mess)

Wholesaling does require time and knowledge. If you don't really have the time or knowledge to do it then I would advise against it or anything else for that matter.

If you are looking for passive income then I would pick a strategy and become educated with it then invest in that area.

You could also buy turn-key(ish) properties at a deep discount using long term hard money then sell it by offering seller financing and doing a wrap. repeat..

The passive income strategies to consider would be notes, rentals, seller financing, hard money lending, and stocks/commodities as you mentioned before. Just pick one and master it!

Gold is HOT right now but it won't be forever. You may want to consider opening a WE BUY GOLD store then reinvesting your profits into rentals.

You may also want to look into Berkshire Hathaway B stocks as they are the best performing stocks over long-term. (aside from BRK A)

Post: Short sale on a Reverse Mortgage?

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

Aaron, if the deceased owner had a life insurance policy then it could be used towards paying off the reverse mortgage, in which case, the heirs could sell it to you for whatever they want.

I know that's off topic a bit but I've heard of landlords retiring by taking out a reverse mortgage on all of their properties and the heirs wouldn't be responsible for paying it off because of the life insurance policy.

Post: Should I send this deal to my buyers list?

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

Thanks Sage. I learned what I learned from the good people on this site too!

Post: Should I send this deal to my buyers list?

Chris T.Posted
  • Wholesaler
  • Amarillo, TX
  • Posts 369
  • Votes 75

If it doesn't fit your criteria then don't send it to your buyers. Reputations are formed quickly and as a new wholesaler you are going to be off on a couple of deals anyways. No sense in adding another deal to the mix that is off the mark, especially when you know up front that it isn't hitting your numbers. If you routinely talk to your buyers then you may casually tell them about this property you ran across. Maybe someone will show some interest, but don't actively market the property.

When you come across a property that you think is close but not quite there then you should be thinking about talking to about 25 more motivated sellers with equity. Then you'll be working towards getting your next deal.

The more time you spend messing around with iffy properties the less time you spend finding great deals. And the iffy properties always take 3 times the energy and time then a good one. You can sell a good one literally minutes after you have it secured.