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All Forum Posts by: Chris Rich

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Post: Property Managers in The Villages, Florida?

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
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Quote from @Raj A.:

I'd love to speak with any property managers who run properties in the Villages, Florida. Looking to invest in a few properties over the next 5-10 years and want to get a sense for tenants, common issues, etc.


I work for The Realty Medics, a property management company based in Orlando.  We have over 1,600 properties under management and over 400 of them are in the Ocala area. I'd love to connect!

Post: What should I charge for Property Management?

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 64
Quote from @John Sigs:

This is privately arranged property management.  I am not a property management company.  A friend has offered to pay me to manage a house he owns in the Greater Hartford area.  I have not see the house yet.  Here are the details thus far:

There are 4 bedrooms.  He thinks they can rent each room out for $800 for a total of $3200/month

He has offered 10% for me to manage the renting of the rooms to the tenants and to take care of the lawn and snow.

This initially sounds low to me.  From my research here on BP, the average is 10% plus one month's rent ($800) every time I would have to find a tenant (does this mean he would pay me $3200 to find the initial tenants?)

Also, most property managers dont actually do the lawn and snow, correct?  They coordinate with subcontractors to take care of the lawn and snow, right?

Just trying to figure out what I should be negotiating for.  Thanks in advance!

John


As others have stated, depending on market management fees run 8-12% a month, plus a leasing fee o 40-100%.  Lawncare is either handled by the tenants or a vendor at the owner's expense.

.... BUT I think you are playing with fire.

My primary job function is outside sales building relationships with realtors.  Some realtors will lease the property for their clients and out of my hundreds of agent partners only 2 do even close to as good of a job as a PM company, and both have been doing it for 15+ years.  But almost every realtor who does provides a level of service much lower than a PM because they do not:

- Properly document the condition of the property before tenants move in, which hurts the owner on the back end when there are damages.
- Market the property as well as a PM company, which increases vacancy periods and costs the owner money.
- Properly / thoroughly screen the tenants, which increases the likelihood of a bad tenant and damages

Now, it can be done, but if you aren't even sure of what the industry costs are for PM services, I highly doubt you are currently skilled enough in the area to risk doing it. I would be very careful if you move forward and do it because anything that goes wrong is going to fall back on you and if you do not have a management agreement in place you could be opening yourself up to lawsuit if you fail to deliver on the expected services.   

Post: New to Orlando: Is Now a Good Time to Buy a Rental Property?

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
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Quote from @Victor Del Hierro:

Hello everyone,

I'm feeling a bit indecisive about what to do next and could use some advice.

I recently moved to the United States 7 months ago, specifically to Orlando, FL. I've managed to save up $20,000 and I'm considering investing it in real estate. My idea is to buy a house and rent it out, so it can pay for itself while I live in a family-owned house.

Would you recommend buying a house in Orlando right now? How is the market currently? Every time I look for options, I can't seem to find anything.

Any insights or advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!


Depends. What's your plan? If you are trying to cash flow it would be very challenging and I don't think you have anywhere near enough capital.  If you are buying for appreciation, you are buying at a time where we just hit record high median sales price in April (slight decrease into May.)

Now, all this talk of Orlando "cooling" is only looking at the increasing inventory, which is still below 6 months... prices increased four straight months to start the year before a 0.9% decrease April to May. Sales also increased 5.4% (per ORRA) from April to May.  If you look at Orlando since the year started, any time the rates stayed consistent on dipped low (6.6% in May) then you saw an increase in closed sales.

I think if you are buying for appreciation and plan to hold long term it is still a good time to buy, because once rates do start coming down, I think we see another hot market and prices increase, like we've seen so far this year. 

If you bought a distressed property, lived in it and rehabbed it, it could possibly make sense. I just don't $20,000 is enough capital for it to be possible to buy a true investment in Orlando right now.

Post: Contractors in Orlando

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 64
Quote from @David B.:

HI all, 

Reposting this hoping to find someone with a great contractor. I'm an experienced flipper who has a deal I just locked up in Orlando. It would be my first in Florida, although I hope to continue to buy there. 

I'm looking for a contractor who has experience with investors, and does quality work. If you happen to know anyone I'd love a referral. 

Thank you all kindly! 


 Give Eliot Grime with VE Builders a call (407-440-8529). He has 20 years of experience and works primarily with larger rehab projects.  His team's quality of work is fantastic.



Post: in Orlando, FL

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 64
Quote from @Jenny Zamora:

Investment Info:

Single-family residence fix & flip investment.

Purchase price: $

Cash invested: $

Completely renovated SFH, 3/2, built in 1999, 1214 sq ft with a new roof installed in April 2024, state-of-the-art smart LG appliances, and luxury vinyl plank flooring throughout.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

Probate, Out of State Seller

How did you finance this deal?

Cash

What was the outcome?

The home is listed for sale.


 What part of town?  My friend's son is looking for his first home and this may be a great fit.  Can you DM me info?

Post: Self manage or hire property management, that is the question?

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
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Quote from @Juliette Olsen:

Hi!

We’re planning to rent our home when we move—but we know we will be moving out of state. 

Question is:

Self manage out of state? 

OR 

Hire property manager and eat the costs until you have cash flow coming in? 

What’s the major perks in your opinion of having a property manager? Are they worth the costs? 

Share your stories! And if you are a property manager company in Orlando, Fl, would love to chat. 

With gratitude, 
Juliette 

Short answer - yes, you can self-manage.  The question is, do you want to, or more importantly, are you the type of person who should. 

I work for a property management company here in Orlando and have many friends that self-manage, and do it well.  I've also assisted self-managing sales leads when they run into issues, who continue to make the same mistakes, costing themselves tens of thousands of dollars. 

If I was you, I would shop around and talk to different property managers, see what they offer and learn about all that property management entails.  Being OOS it is far more difficult to manage IMO, but it can be done.

I would love to schedule a call with you to discuss property management and see if it is something you can do yourself, or based on your situation, would hiring a PM be the better option. We can then discuss what to look for in a PM and what type of manager you are looking for. 

Post: General Advice on renting my property

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 64
Quote from @Jason Strauss:

I am moving out of my primary residence of 5 years, and transitioning it to a rental property.  I've already hired a full-service management team who will provide turn-key management.  I've begun keeping receipts on upgrades, fees, etc... to be prepared for tax time.  They will be filing my 1099 for me to the IRS.

In general, what tips and recommendations do you have that I should keep in mind in my first year of renting, and for a first time, hands-off landlord?


Congrats Jason!  I made the same transition myself. A couple of things I would add / recommend.

1) We created an email address specifically for the rental, which helps my wife and I keep track of the expenses because of 2.  You don't necessarily need to, but we found it helped us keep things organized for end of the year taxes.

2) Consider paying for preventative maintenance. We pay for a biannual inspection for $250 a year.  A company comes out twice a year and inspects the AC and replaces the filter (very important if in a high temperature area), inspects the plumbing and electrical, and provides feedback regarding any potential issues. I send a 6 pack of AC filters twice a year.  We also provide pest control and chemical lawn service.  I would not say those things are necessary, per say, but we make enough cash flow that it's worth the expense imo to make sure it gets handled.  

3) Make sure your PM does a good job documenting the property (with pictures) on Move-In inspections. This is very important on the back end if you have to impose claims against the security deposit (at least in Florida).

4) Read your management agreement thoroughly and know the cancelation policy.  I have a client currently dealing with an awful MA with his now former PM company. His tenants had to move out for him to terminate with them, OR, he had to continue paying management fees while those tenants were in place.  Long story short, great tenants had to move out because of the PM. (Yes, he's been dealing with an attorney regarding the situation)

5) Have a good CPA who knows the ins / outs of real estate investing so you can lower your tax liability. 

6) A good tenant is the most valuable thing IMO - take care of them.  Good tenants typically take care of the property and stay longer.  If you look at Zillow's Consumer Housing Report, most tenants stay 3-5 years in a property.  In my experience, when we have tenants move out after 1 year, it is almost always the properties with the owners who fight every time there is a maintenance issue or something that needs to be addressed. My tenants have actually saved me money resolving issues for me. 

7) Know / learn the costs of things.  For example, if you know how much painting should cost (price per square foot) then when it's time to pay for repairs you are ensuring you do not get overcharged.

8) Plan for vacancy and unit turn and have a reserve (unless you make enough money that you don't need it).  Depending on your PM's unit turn process, property will likely be vacant 1-2 months before you get the next tenants.  Average unit turn cost is $2,200 in our area.  If you have 2-3 mortgage payments + $2,000-$4,000, you would not likely have to come out of pocket during unit turn.  Then take the next tenant's cash flow, replenish the reserves, and keep moving forward.

If you ever have an PM related questions, feel free to DM me!

Post: Is investing based on appreciation a recipe for disaster?

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
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I wouldn't say investing solely in appreciation is inherently good / bad, but to the people saying you can't rely on appreciation... yes you can, if your plan is long term.  Housing always increases long-term.  Even in 2008.... if you rode out 5 years of awful, you were positive year 6, solid in year 10, and way positive year 15.  I think the key is to not overleverage or rely on too heavily on the appreciation.  Market is very important, but I think the 3% appreciation on a $300,000 house is more valuable than the annual cash flow if your strategy is long-term.

Quote from @JD Martin:
Quote from @Courtney Barnes:

Hello, I am just starting my research and would like to know if my goal sounds possible for the area. My husband and I would like to buy a 3-4 bedroom house single level in either Kissimmee or Davenport area between 400-550K with 15-20%down. We plan to use the home currently for about maybe 2 months out the year and would like to rent it out the remainder of the year on Short term rental. The goal is to have this home pay for itself and eventually be able to retire to this house full time in about 10-12 years down the line. We are not really looking to try to make a profit as we know this area is really competitive with rentals but if we can just make enough to cover the mortgage we would be happy with that. We know we still have to pay for a property manager as well as we are out of state in Michigan and other operating cost along with utilities. We would like to not have to put in more than $1200 per month out of our pocket. How realistic would this be ?


 It's completely unrealistic. How do I know? This is what I did, when interest rates were a little cheaper and prices hadn't quite maxed out yet 🤣🤣🤣

I own a 4/3 3k SF house right in 4 Corners (near Cagan's Crossing). It is a beautiful house, and I'm on a small lake and it's a pretty easy drive to Disney and a little harder to Universal. Since about April of last year rental rates and occupancy has been in the literal toilet. Last summer was about 50% occupancy, this summer is shaping up to be a total bust. There is a ridiculous amount of saturation and a "race to the bottom" in rates. I use the home about 2 months in the winter and a few 10-14 day stays during the year. Outside of my principal & interest costs, here are my monthly expenses:

Electric: averages $300

Water: averages $50 (including irrigation water for lawn)

Management (includes weekly pool care, trash cans out & in, pest control): $280

HOA: $52

Property taxes: $400

Insurance: $325

Lawn care (weekly): $100

Florida STR license: $15

Niceties (internet, tv services for guests): $100, and this is generous as I include some stuff I pay for from my own house that would cost more if I didn't. 

All of that comes out to $1622. That is outside of any repairs & maintenance. I do a lot of repairs and maintenance myself when I come down in the winter and during the quarters I make the trip, but here's just a sample of things I had to pay for in the last year:

Pool screening: $985 (big hailstorm destroyed 13 screens)

Irrigation repair: $394

Irrigation repair #2: $230

Palm trimming (twice: $200

Pool light replacement: $950

And all of that of course leaves out routine replacement of towels that get left at theme parks, sheets and pillowcases, busted blenders, and a host of other things I can't even think of right now. 

Now, I don't need this thing to make a profit - it's a luxury for me, and we enjoy staying in the winter and having a place that family can all gather - but if I did I would be losing my ***. There have only been a few months that it's ever made enough to "earn its keep" and never done so in the course of a full year. We rent in the summer at $199/night which puts us high and keeps bookings down, but I've learned renting out to the cheapos just ruins your house faster and you end up replacing more things, and your bills are higher so you're still not making any money and your house is getting ruined faster. The fact that it loses money is somewhat mitigated by my tax savings at year's end (I have RE professional status).

You just have to keep in mind that although there's a lot of tourists to the area a lot of them are cheap bastards that gravitate towards the lowest fares out there, and there's so much supply especially in the last 2+ years that it's a serious race to the bottom as you're competing with people who bought at $150-200k 10-15 years ago, never fix up their place and don't care if they rent for $99/night. If you want to make money in this area, you either need to be in the very bottom or at the top, meaning 6+ bedroom places on resorts that are tricked out with theming, etc. If you're in the space I'm in, you are competing with 50k Tom Dick and Harry's. 

Just an honest reply from someone who once thought like you 🤣



But JD, people all the time tell me "STR is more profitable than LTR"... LOL.

Love the reply.  Stuff like this is so helpful. 

Post: Introduction - New BiggerPockets member - Introduction

Chris RichPosted
  • Property Manager
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 103
  • Votes 64
Quote from @David Pillsbury Jr:

I want to make a few connections in the real estate investing community. I'm new to the forum, and I'm not a realtor. I have 40 years of experience in the home design and construction industry, a ton of skills, and talent. I want to develop associations with those who can see the value in my association and help me get started with investing.


Welcome David!  If you ever need any assistance related to long-term renting (rental analysis, trends, etc) feel free to reach out, I'd be happy to help!