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All Forum Posts by: Chris Boselli

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Post: Another successful BRRRR deal in Memphis!

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@Stephen Akindona thanks! And absolutely, we are more focused on the long term portfolio we are building and as you mentioned we still got a great investment property for 12k out of pocket that will give us almost a 20% return. Cash flow worked out better on this deal too, so no complaints here! 

Post: Another successful BRRRR deal in Memphis!

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@Dean Harris I would have to agree, all of our projects thus far have been in 38118. We are actively looking at some other zipcodes as well but 38118 seems to be working for us at the moment

Post: Another successful BRRRR deal in Memphis!

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Hello again BiggerPockets! Just wanted to share the results and specific details of our second successful BRRRR investment in Memphis, TN. Little background here....

My brother and I are real estate investors from the Boston area. He still lives in Boston while I currently live in Hoboken, NJ, and we have decided to get into long distance buy and hold investing due to the very high prices of real estate in both of our local markets. This past summer we settled on Memphis for the first chapter in our real estate investing journey and bought our first property in July 2019. When we wrapped that BRRRR up back in December 2019 I posted about the details of this first deal (https://www.biggerpockets.com/...) and I received a lot of good questions/feedback, so figured I would post a similar summary of the 2nd deal that just wrapped up end of February 2020.

This property was a 3 bed/1.5 bath/1350 sq ft single family home in the 38118 neighborhood of Memphis. The house needed some work but nothing too crazy, and we also did some upgrades to make it more desirable to a potential tenant/buyer down the road including adding central air and converting the half bath to a full bath with a nice tiled stand-up shower to make a full master suite and a 3 bed 2 bath home. Here's a high-level look at some of the preliminary numbers:

Offer price: $53,500

Purchase closing costs: $1,200

Rehab estimate: $25,000

Estimated holding costs: $2,000

ARV: $105,000-110,000

Target 75% cash-out amount: $79,000 - $82,500

As you can see, the numbers looked pretty good up front and it looked like we would be pretty close to breaking even on the project after the cash-out refi, so we went ahead with the purchase. In my last post I discussed using Fannie Mae's delayed financing exception to allow for pulling the cash back out before the typical 6 month seasoning period, and in the comments @Steve C. led me to a post outlining a different approach using a LLC-to-personal loan (see https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/460294-how-to-cash-out-1-4-unit-property). Using the LLC-to-personal loan strategy establishes a mortgage on the property from your LLC to you personally and essentially just makes any subsequent refinance a traditional refinance where the seasoning period is not a concern. This opens up a lot of opportunities regarding which lender you can use and the max amount of the refinance, both of which are very useful. We used this strategy on this deal and it worked like a charm!

One setback we hit with this deal right out of the gate was a delay in the refinance on our first deal. We had the close date from the refinance on deal #1 and the close date for the purchase on this property only about 2 weeks apart (looking back this was definitely a little over-ambitious!), and when the second lender in deal #1 did not know how to close using the delayed financing exception it pushed the refi date out another month or so. We ended up having to get a hard money loan for ~20k to close in time which increased both our up front closing costs and holding costs. This also delayed the rehab as we could not come up with the first half of construction costs until the refinance closed, delaying the whole project about 3 weeks and further adding to our holding costs. Not the end of the world, but we will definitely learn from and avoid the same mistakes moving forward!

The rehab only took about 4-5 weeks and everything went pretty smoothly there. The first appraisal came back in a little lower than expected ($99k), but we ended up getting it increased to 102k by challenging the appraisal. We know we could have probably squeezed a few extra thousand with another challenge, but we were fine with 102k. The refinance closed on the same date as our tenant signing their lease only 3 weeks after the rehab was finished. However, just before the tenant moved into the property our PM discovered the brand new water heater we just installed had been stolen (there is outside access to the utility room and even though there is a metal security door they had ripped it off). This was a little bit of a spirit breaker, but all in all it was not too major just another thing to add to the holding costs. Here is a look at the rough final numbers:

Purchase price: $53,500

Closing costs: $2,600

Holding Costs: $3,500

Rehab costs: $24,000

Total Project Cost: $83,600

Target ARV: $105,000-110,000

Appraised value: $102,000

75% loan amount: $76,500

Refinance closing costs: ~$5,000 (rolled into loan)

Total cash out amount: $71,500 (limited by delayed financing exception)

Cash left in deal: ~$12,000

Once all was said and done, we left about $12,000 in this deal which was not as great as our first project where we actually made a little profit out of the cash-out refi. However, we now have added a second property to our portfolio with a good ROI that actually cash flows a little better than the first one and will make us more money on a monthly basis so still counting this as a big win! Here's a look at the numbers outlining the sustaining performance of the property:

Monthly rent: $950

PM fee: 9%

Mortgage amount (taxes/insurance escrowed): $535

Reserve for expenses: 15% = $142.50 (a little lower than usual since we took care of all cap ex items in the rehab)

Total monthly/annual cash flow: $187/$2,244

Annual ROI: 18.13% 

We had some private investors in on this deal as well, and while we were not able to give them the bonus this time around we still gave a solid 10% guaranteed APR (~3% cash-on-cash over the 3.5 months of this project). Considering how crazy and unpredictable the stock market has been the last couple of weeks with the recent correction and subsequent roller coaster ride we are happy to be able to provide a more stable vehicle for our investors to grow their money while also continuing to add to our portfolio and grow ourselves as investors. Overall we are very happy with the results of this project, and we are excited to put the new lessons learned to work on the next deal that we actually are set to close on next week!

Hoping success stories like this will help some newbies take the plunge for themselves as well as continue to motivate ongoing investors, feel free to reach out with any questions/comments or just to say hi.

Cheers,

Chris

Post: Jersey City/Hoboken meet up

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Great to see so many other local investors in the Hoboken/JC area interested in networking, looking forward to meeting you all!

Post: Hindsight is 20/20: Things I wish I did better

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@Marky Suazo great post, always interesting to learn about other out-of-state investors' adventures in Memphis. While I am sure you look back at some of these details and cringe, the important thing is that you can reflect positively and have a few good takeaways from the experience. 

I am from the Boston area but I actually live in Hoboken now and invest in Memphis as well, maybe we could connect locally sometime to discuss our investing experiences in more detail!

Post: Newbie looking to invest in Memphis, TN.

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Hi @Sarah Jones my brother and I are from the Boston area and just began investing in Memphis In July 2019... @Tyler Tapley has been an awesome agent for us, extremely knowledgeable about the market and his style is perfect for long distance investors. We are already looking for our 3rd BRRRR deal!

Post: First BRRRR Deal Completed in Memphis, TN

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@Natalie Siedschlag, thanks for reading and thanks for the questions!

As far as the rehab process went yes we had a full rehab bid and itemized scope of work for all necessary rent-ready repairs before even offering on the property. Since 38118 is a relatively cheap market with a lot of investors, turnkey companies, etc. buying in the area many sellers are looking for cash offers on as-is sales with no contingencies, so all due diligence is expected up front to determine your best offer price. 

Using the delayed financing exception you also need to know the rehab amount before hand because yes all rehab funds are added to the settlement statement and held in escrow by the title company at closing. The title company then disburses these funds at your discretion to the contractors. We also added a nice cushion to our rehab fund to be held in escrow for 2 main reasons 1) unexpected expenses and 2) As a cushion for the cash out amount from the refinance because the maximum amount of cash out you can receive from the refinance using the delayed financing exception is the lesser amount of total up front investment or 75% LTV.

All of that being said I am currently in the process of refinancing my second deal (rehab just finished this week!) using the LLC to personal loan strategy pointed out to me by @Steve C. earlier in this thread (link: https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/48/topics/460294-how-to-cash-out-1-4-unit-property).

This should make things a whole lot simpler and open up the amount of lenders that know how to handle this type of refinance since it will basically just be a traditional refi and still allow closing in <6 months from original purchase. Keep an eye out for my summary post on deal #2!

Please feel free to PM me for some help with your other questions so I am not clogging up the feed with 5 paragraph essays!

@Gurshan Bansal hope this ^^ answered your questions too. For lenders yes I did have to make sure I was working with one that knew how to close this type of deal before setting it all up, as I mentioned in my post having to go for a 2nd appraisal with a new lender ended up wasting $500 and ~1month of time since they eventually did not end up knowing how to close this deal (and told me it was not possible to include the rehab costs)

@De Janiera Thomas @Stephanie Jones thank you guys as well!

Post: First BRRRR Deal Completed in Memphis, TN

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@Jack Inman we used Security National Mortgage Company and Bank of Springfield

Post: First BRRRR Deal Completed in Memphis, TN

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@Brianna M. Hi Brianna, the zipcodes we are primarily looking at currently are 38118, 38116, and 38141 but we have also looked into 38128 and 38115. We have a local PM company managing our rentals, I am more than happy to pay the PM fee to avoid tenant calls and the other additional stresses of self-management especially from long-distance

Post: First BRRRR Deal Completed in Memphis, TN

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@Steve C. I agree, using the LLC to personal loan strategy seems to open up some more options and I will definitely be looking into this for future deals. The more options you have the better!

As far as your other point goes about the low appraisal I think it was a specific situation, this is an up and coming area in Memphis and it seemed like this particular appraiser could not see through the past reputation of 38118. Every real estate professional I talked to thought the 67k valuation was absurd, and even more odd that he dug his heels in when we presented him with 5-6 solid comps all within 1 mile in the 95-105k range.

That being said it is unfortunate that ultimately the whole process can be held up by the opinion of a single individual, but we are more focusing on the fact that we got all our money back and then some, were able to give our investors a great return to keep them happy and build our reputation, and are steadily working to build up a solid portfolio for the long term