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All Forum Posts by: Chris Boselli

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Post: First BRRRR Deal Completed in Memphis, TN

Chris Boselli
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@John S Lewis Hey John! Thanks for taking the time to read/comment. Funny story, I am from MA originally but I actually just moved to Hudson County NJ last fall for work. As far as choosing the market goes I have been doing some research the last couple years on good rental markets and Memphis continually popped up as a good monthly cash flow market. We bought this property and are currently working on our second project, both sight unseen. I was as skeptical/nervous as anyone would be with this idea at first, but it really depends on who you surround yourself with in terms of your "rockstar team." If you have not already give David Greene's book "Long Distance Real Estate Investing" a read, that book was extremely helpful and definitely quieted some of those uneasy feelings. As far as the refi loan itself goes it was a traditional cash-out refinance loan at 75% LTV, FHA loans require the property you are purchasing to be your primary residence and this project was a long-term rental property



Post: First BRRRR Deal Completed in Memphis, TN

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@Steve C. I was not aware of this strategy but it is definitely an interesting option, however it seems like he is also not aware of the FNMA delayed financing exception in his description of buying a home with cash (section 2 of the article). It is definitely possibly to roll the rehab costs into the cash-out amount as long as you set it up correctly on the HUD and have the right lender with the knowledge and experience to close the deal.

The only additional costs I can think of with the LLC to personal loan strategy would be setting up the LLC if you do not have one already and the costs of filing the deed with the county, but this would also likely open up the number of lenders you could use as it probably makes more sense than the relatively new delayed financing exception which is still widely misunderstood and/or up for interpretation by each individual underwriter

Post: First BRRRR Deal Completed in Memphis, TN

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Hey BiggerPockets Community! Writing today excited and inspired as we just recently completed our first project ever in Memphis, TN and I just wanted to share the details with everyone here...while this project ended up being a big time win, it certainly did not come without a couple setbacks and bumps in the road. I wanted to share our experience here in order to help inspire others who have undoubtedly experienced similar issues. 

Our first deal was a 3 bed/1.5 bath/1225 sq ft single family home in the 38118 neighborhood of Memphis. Was not a crazy rehab, and the numbers worked really well even with conservative estimates. We also worked with a couple private money investors on this deal (thanks in large part to Matt Faircloth's Raising Private Money book!) so it was a great learning experience all around. Here is a look at some of the numbers to start:

Purchase price: $52,000

Purchase closing costs: $1,250

Rehab costs: $13,650

Rehab cushion = $4,350 (I will explain the idea behind the cushion later)

Total cash due at closing: $71,250

ARV: $95,000

75% cash out target: $71,250

First thing I want to explain about the above numbers is the cushion amount. Normally we would factor in a 10-15% cushion anyways in case of unforeseen expenses during the rehab and to account for some closing costs. However since we knew this project could be completed before the typical 6 month seasoning period, we wanted to take advantage of the delayed financing exception which would allow for a cash out refinance in under 6 months. With the delayed financing exception, one of the caveats is that the cash out amount cannot exceed the lesser amount of the "total initial investment" or 75% LTV. If the numbers above played out exactly to our predictions above without the cushion, total initial investment amount would have been 52,000+13,650+1,250 = $66,900 whereas the 75% loan amount would have still been 95,000*0.75 = $71,250. In this case, the most cash-out we could have received from the refinance was the lesser of these two values, or $66,900. By adding that extra cushion ($4,350 total) to the rehab costs and having them held in escrow at closing, we were able to bring that initial investment amount up to $71,250 as well, and therefore receive more money back at the close of the refinance. I realize this may be confusing, but just trying to explain the general idea behind what looks like a 30% cushion for the rehab costs...

The rehab itself only took about 4 weeks, and we had a tenant in in just over 8 weeks, but some minor bumps in the road with the refinance process caused the additional ~2 month delay before we were finally able to close the cash out refinance last week for a total project timeline of 4 months. We ended up working with two lenders in the process: lender A was able to get everything lined up and ready to go in ~4 weeks since we began working with them immediately upon closing, but a VERY low appraisal (67k) followed by a couple unsuccessful challenges of that appraisal left us very discouraged and kind of at a crossroads. This would have left us with a ~$50k cash out amount, and leaving about 16-17k in the deal which we did not want to do. We then went to lender B for a second opinion, and within another 3-4 weeks we had a much better appraisal (104k!), but when it came down to it they could not figure out how to make sense of the delayed financing exception and include the rehab costs in the cash out amount (even though we knew we 100% set it up correctly). This again would have only allowed us to get a cash out amount of our "total initial investment" amount (just not including the rehab costs), for a cash-out amount of $53,250.

We then went back to lender A since we knew that they had the ability to close the deal, and thankfully we were able to transfer the 104k appraisal from lender B to get the deal finished. The only down side of taking this long was the additional holding costs, but even that did not have a major impact on our bottom line as we still ended up making a small profit on the deal. Here is a look at the final numbers:

Purchase price, purchase closing costs, rehab costs (from above): $66,900

Holding Costs: $3,500

Total Project Cost: $70,400

Target ARV: $95,000

Appraised value: $104,000

75% loan amount: $78,000

Refinance closing costs: $5,000 (rolled into loan)

Total cash out amount: $71,250 (limited by delayed financing exception)

Profit: $850

Once all was said and done, we made ~$850 on this deal and now have a cash flowing rental property! I mentioned that we had some private investors for this deal (totaling about ~$18,000), we were giving them 10% APR and ended up giving them all a 3% flat bonus at the end since we did so well (all included in holding costs). This yielded them a 6.33% cash-on-cash and a 18.99% annualized return respectively, which they were very satisfied with. Here is a look at the rental performance of the property as well:

Monthly rent: $850

PM fee: 9%

Mortgage amount (taxes/insurance escrowed): $554

20% reserve for expenses: $170

Total monthly/annual cash flow: $50/$600

Cash-on-cash/annual ROI: ∞ ($0 remaining in deal) 

Overall we were very happy with the results of this deal, and I think it is safe to say we are officially addicted to real estate investing. Looking forward to many more deals to follow (already have the 2nd underway and looking for a 3rd right now!), thanks for reading!

Post: Looking to Refinance before 6 Months in Memphis, TN

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Update: 

We just completed our first project in 38118 and we were able to use Aaron Chapman with SNMC to make this happen in less than 6 months! As Sean mentioned above you need to make sure any rehab costs are noted on the HUD, but even then not all lenders will know/understand how to close this kind of loan. Worked with a two different lenders for this project to get a few quotes with very different results...due to the verbiage in the delayed financing exception, it is still up for interpretation and some underwriters will tell you it is not possible just because they have never done this sort of loan before. Crazy part is my loan officer actually called some reps from Fannie Mae and even they said it was not possible because they had never done anything like it before.

Fast forward a month or two and Aaron and team were able to help us get the financing handled no problem, more proof that you just can't give up when one person tells you something is not possible in this industry! Hope this was helpful 

Post: Looking to Refinance before 6 Months in Memphis, TN

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@CJ M. would you consider recommending your lender on that project? Currently working on some projects in Memphis as well, would love a referral!

Post: Looking for agent/property manager referrals in Memphis, TN area

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@Curt Davis Thank you for the quick reply!

I will definitely reach out to them as I continue my research.

Post: Looking for agent/property manager referrals in Memphis, TN area

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Hi Bigger Pockets!

I am currently working on building a team in the Memphis, TN area to begin my venture into long distance investing, and I was hoping to get some feedback from local investors or other long distance investors doing business in Memphis. I plan on seeking out distressed properties, adding value via rehab, then converting to either long term buy-and-hold rentals or flipping where it makes sense. I hope to spend the next month or two getting a solid team in place and ideally buying my first investment property before the end of this year.

That being said, does anyone have any recommendations for some good investor-friendly agents/agent teams and/or property managers in the Memphis area? Any agents/PMs with experience dealing with out-of-state investors would also be a huge plus.

Also if you are currently a local investor or out-of-stater interested in Memphis area feel free to message me to just say hi, I would love to hear some stories/advice about other investor experiences in the Memphis market.

Thanks!

Chris