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All Forum Posts by: Carl W.

Carl W. has started 20 posts and replied 87 times.

We're ready to close on our first investment property (a house hack) but the sellers say they need until the first to get the tenants out. The contract states the property must be vacate for the property to close and so they claim they have given the tenants notice to vacate by that date. We've spoken with the sellers throughout this process to say the property must be vacated. I'm willing to wait until the first for the tenants to move out but we want assurances that will happen because we're getting mixed messages. At one point, they said the tenants were going to leave immediately when we were ready to close and then they flipped the script. Of course, that did not happen. Now we're asking for them to confirm the tenants will be out when they say they will and it's been nothing but dead silence from the seller's side. I'm really losing my cool here because I don't know what's going on.  

I'm in the same situation as you and house hacking a duplex. When I contacted the different insurance companies for quotes there wasn't any talk of "landlord insurance." Each company advised me that I needed to insure the entire property and my personal belongings. The tenants would be responsible for obtaining their own renter's insurance - that's it. Personally, I've never heard of landlord insurance.
Originally posted by @Michael Rossi:
To MikeOH,
Oh, boy. You are such an elitist...


No, I'm not an elitist, but on the other hand I'm not a lazy riff-raff deadbeat being supported by the government (hardworking taxpayers) either. Low income tenants are low income tenants precisely because they consistently make bad decisions. They have illegitimate kids by multiple men; they drink too much and do drugs; they drop out of high school in favor of being a petty criminal; they are too lazy to work; they have to use one hand to hold their pants up as they walk down the street, etc. In other words, they get what they deserve. I'll take that back - they get MORE than they deserve! When I get to be The Chosen One's housing czar, they'll all be living under a bridge. Until then, I'll provide safe and clean housing and collect the money that the government (the taxpayer) is wasting to house these people.

BTW, you don't need a dishwasher to make low income tenants happy. If you provide safe and clean housing, you're housing will be nicer than 95% of all the low income housing out there (including Section 8 housing).

Mike

This is literally the vilest thing I've read on any forum in a long long time. I cannot believe you are a landlord. Unbelievable!

I'm doing a lot of research before I start my journey into being a landlord real soon. I'm seeing a lot of people advising that it's a good idea not to reveal to tenants that I own the building. However, I simply don't get the benefit of lying, especially in the case of a house hack. Can someone help me better understand this? A quick Google search shows who owns a building so it all seems pointless to me.

Originally posted by @Patricia Steiner:

@Carl W.

Correct; renting out the loft as an "Artist Studio or Loft" means it's a private space for an artist to paint, sculpt, write - it's a creative not living space. Most major cities have an industry surrounding this type of real estate. It's along the lines of an office.  What makes it attractive to investors is the obvious revenue stream but without having to provide a kitchen or updated decor/space. Writers, inventors, med and law students getting ready for board exams - anyone who needs space away from their homes to think, create, do - and be left alone.

Many investors "stay in one lane" and miss opportunities to diversify and add alternative revenue streams.  Offering storage and/or laundry as secondary streams come with liabilities of a different kind and limited potential.  Know your market.  Innovate.  I dare you...

Dare accepted. This is a game-changer! It leaves me open to a sea of possibilities. I did some research though and in my area Artist Lofts are considered living spaces. Artist Workspace and Flex Space seem to be the terms used around here for non-living spaces.

My only concern is would there be anything to prevent anyone from moving into the space and just living there if they wanted. I guess I'd have to create a lease stating the place was strictly for work purposes because it's in a residential neighborhood. If it was commercial, it'd be different. Heck, when I signed my lease for my office my landlord told me I could put in a bed and live there. I looked at him like he was crazy. Who lives in their office? Actually, I discovered that a lot of people do. In commercial zones around here, no one cares, it's whatever. But in residential zones, neighbors talk and word quickly spreads and complaints are filed. I would want to avoid that as much as possible. Thoughts?

Originally posted by @Patricia Steiner:

Forget current tenants...consider renting the space out to someone who needs an office away from home (a lot of folks are finding that working at home with kids and pets is more than most mere mortals can bear) - or as an artist loft.  In some areas, that artist lofts commands more rent for no upgrades.

Great problem you have there...

Artist loft? Never heard of that before. It sounds like the perfect idea. So an art would use it as a workspace but wouldn't actually live there?

I'm purchasing a duplex with a 3rd floor that is mindblowing. Very spacious! I understand that I legally cannot rent it out as a 3rd apartment because it's a legal 2-Family, which is probably why it was never fully finished. But what should I do with all of that space? There's no way I'd allow it to just sit empty like it is currently. I'm looking for ideas of what to do with the space that could possibly net me some additional income. The plan is to fit the space with a full BA, BR, mini kitchenette, and a large open living/dining space. 

An Airbnb is one idea that I'm tossing around. The second idea is renting it as a long-term "room" that is an extension of unit 2. Another idea I had was moving into it myself and then renting out the rooms on the 2nd floor. It would still be my apartment, I'd just live above it mainly. Any other ideas of things I could do to monetize the space without getting into any legal issues would be appreciated. At the end of the day, even if none of these ideas pan out, I'd still have an epic 3rd floor for family and friends when they visit.

Originally posted by @Andrew Powers:

I understand where you're coming from, especially being new to this. But ultimately it's your job as the investor to make the deal happen. You are in ownership of all decisions and actions you take. Everyone in the process has different motivations and different ways of making decisions. It's your responsibility to take ownership of this deal because it's YOUR deal. Not your agent's or anyone else's.

This all may seem hard to take in, but waiting / depending on others is not going to get you far as you will be at the "mercy" of others. You will feel let down as you mentioned. This is a mindset shift. Write down what information you are lacking in an organized way, find the answers as best as you can (search online / ask specific questions about something you don't know), compare options, make a decision, and own it. If you're not ready or it's just a lot of new information to comprehend, that's OK! Take more time to gather information and think about it. Your struggle here shows there is personal growth to be had. Even if these deals don't work out, going through this process will make you even more ready to attack the next opportunity you find! 

It's because this is MY deal and everything falls on ME at the end of the day that makes this entire process so difficult. One can only do so much alone, we all need help at times. After reading your first comment and giving it some thought the other day, the right choice became obvious to me. Thanks for providing me with some clarity in my decision-making. 

Originally posted by @Andrew Powers:

Hello have you calculated these properties based on "hard" data (ie numbers)? What is cashflow, CoC?

Compare that to the more "soft" data. Type of tenant base, potential for rent and property value appreciation, ...

Compare that to what you are looking for. Location, how much work you are willing to put into a property, etc.

Both properties have pros and cons. Your goals, skills, etc will help dictate decision. Right it out in a comparison chart based on metrics that are important for investment and for you personally. 

For my first house hack, I had similar choices. Ideal location / needed work / high appreciation potential vs not ideal location / needed no work / ok appreciation. For my goals, skill set, and knowing that I would live there... I chose the former and I'm happy.

Do the homework to compare options objectively. If its still not super clear, sometimes it comes down to gut feeling. Good luck with your decision!

That's where I'm struggling. Both properties would pull in the same cash flow. However, property #2 would pull in more over the long-term (the location has rents 18% higher than area averages) and has a bigger pool of renters looking for housing. I was hoping that my RE agent would help me in comparing my options objectively and going over the "hard data" but all they seem interested in is showing me the properties. I feel confused and abandoned at this point. Also, when I run the numbers they look good but I need that outside person to break it down for me. Someone to convince me that I'm not making a huge mistake. I'm very indecisive when I want to be and I don't want to give up just because I feel stuck, but that's where I am right now. 

Hi all,

I really need help deciding between 2 potential properties. Both are in the same price range within my budget, same county, and both less than 3 miles from my workplace. I’m going to be house hacking and plan to live in the home long-term. I want to make a good business decision but I also want to love where I live. I didn’t think this would be so difficult.

Property #1

Huge at over 5,000+ sq ft, 2-Family, 2 block walk to the town shopping district, 10-minute walk to the park. The property is located on a packed street with other multifamily homes. Large garage. Mainly geared towards families and grad students.

Pros:

  • In the town that I want to live in.
  • Highly desirable location.
  • High rents.

Cons:

  • Wacky interior layout.
  • Zero outdoor space.
  • Needs rehabbing of multiple spaces.
  • High taxes (Double the taxes of Property #2)!

Property #2

Slightly smaller at 3,000+ sq ft, 3-Family, a 5-minute drive to the city center with many amenities, 10-minute walk to the park. Corner lot property shares street with 3 other homes on a quieter block. Mainly geared towards students and professionals. 

Pros:

  • All units are very nice with good bones.
  • Nice manageable backyard.
  • Minor rehab needed.
  • High rents.
  • Low taxes (Half the taxes of Property #1)!

Cons:

  • Not in the town I want to live in.
  • No garage and limited parking options.