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All Forum Posts by: Carlos Ptriawan

Carlos Ptriawan has started 84 posts and replied 7089 times.

Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

Good point. Energy is definitely a bottleneck, but also in that arena, we have a lot of new tech on the brink of commercialization. I am reading a lot about data centers in the future including their own energy generation. But you are right, these infrastructure developments take time and it remains to be seen how quickly they can be overcome. 


Globally what we are witnessing is Industrial Revolution 5.0 ; similar to like when electricity was invented. It's not about the job that's being replaced but they would need an enhanced type of new workforce (which could be similar). But if one sees it from the larger ecosystem for example, let's say Tesla , created demand for nickel in the nickel-producing country to build the battery. The battery supplier itself could be coming from US and China or Japan. Then they need massive R&D (either in Fremont, Austin or Bangalore doesn't matter), they also need fabrication, and then they buy more GPU to simulate FSD. In each process, it creates new jobs globally. What always happens is that, all these tech-related companies is always over-hiring than what they need and after some time, there's layoff, the rate hike is just a precursor. But it's very common too see that folks that's got laid off is rehired again in the same company or their competitor. 

At the end it's also accelerating the development of new city that's being asked in this thread, it's just the process is not too obvious.

Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:
Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

Anyone who works remote is probably going to loose their job in the next couple years to an AI. This is low-hanging fruit for AI, because no physical work.

If you think I am talking about something in the future, you have not kept up the last 8 weeks. Watch the presentation of the latest version of ChatGPT4o and if you don't have much time, skip to min 15 where "she" teaches him how to do math. Tell me your kid's teacher is that smooth explaining math! Link.

And if you think it is going to stop there than watch this: Figure1 robot demonstration. Remember these things are getting rapidly better. Google CEO estimates that we will see their capabilities double every 12-18 months.

Which means factory jobs are being next. Since we are talking about paradigm shifts, this will be the biggest of all. And it is happening faster than society can respond. 

Nvidia is now higher valued as Apple at $3 trillion market cap. Yes, you have read that correctly. Ask 10 random people, 8 have never heard the name, that is how fast things are changing.

In my mind the outcome is crystal clear. Literally of the population will be unemployed. Anyone who works remote or online or does low skill manual labor. Which means as a society we will have to shift to a universal basic income system, like it or not, there is no other way. People need to eat and pay rent.

It's not going to happen like that. I know there's AI doomers and boomers, it's definitely going to carry some weight but when the boomers push this narrative it's not without a lot of issues that aren't being recognized.

For one, the power for this to happen would require massive, and I mean massive, energy capabilities that just aren't ready right now from a data center level. So while the technology may be running quickly, the ability to warehouse it and let it really conquer America are well behind the curve. I'm not talking a year or two, but a decade plus.  

The biggest question in energy right now is data center electricity consumption and ownership. It's going north, but is it going to double in 2 years or could it go further? Because if it starts trending to double 2024 numbers in 26 or 27, we simply don't have the inputs to create that output. You're going to have AWS, ADS, Meta, all these data center giants fighting tooth and nail against the power grids across the country when we're already showing a great deal of vulnerability. That means AWS will take a nuke plant that is retired or active, and that a locality can't use for when weather becomes a concern. 

The biggest headwinds in the worlds are energy security, acquisition, performance and land ownership. The growth of AI is dead track in the middle of that and while it's persevere it just won't happen in a year or two. One finding the data center locations and two, arguably the hardest, is getting the energy required. The former point is a lot harder than people realize, go with someone to find the land they want to buy for data centers there's so many intrinsic properties required of it's tough cause it's finite-- latency requirements, infrascuture for cooling methods,etc.. It's going to sneak up on the doomers quicker than they think, but it's not going to take over the world like the boomers think tomorrow. 

And don't get me started on the political intervention of it...that's a whole other story. It's not coming tomorrow guys, it's coming sooner than you probably would figure but not immediately. 


Good point. Energy is definitely a bottleneck, but also in that arena, we have a lot of new tech on the brink of commercialization. I am reading a lot about data centers in the future including their own energy generation. But you are right, these infrastructure developments take time and it remains to be seen how quickly they can be overcome. 

Even if it takes longer, the outcome is the same: the employable part of society is going to shrink. The current labor shortage incenivices companies to adopt technology quickly. Not everyone has the ability to be re-trained. A displaced truck driver is not going to be a software engineer. This is where I see the difference: the internet created new jobs and industries, AI is mostly about the opposite. Especially the next wave, which is physical AI.

What makes the timeline unpredictable is the self-accelerating nature of AI. When you listen to Jensen Huang they are pushing internally for AI applications in almost every part of their operations, not only R&D. He said they could not have designed Blackwell without AI. You basically have AI advancing AI.


AI indirectly caused the layoff. Recent Microsoft layoffs occurred in data centre operation business. The same with Amazon. I think two trends converge simultaneously here, first is the interest rate hike (due to covid) and open AI announcement in 2022 ; both events are just accelerating the inevitable. However, the layoff occurred not directly because of AI, but because companies wanted to move to AI so they abandoned their older technology. Laying off older engineers and investing in AI. It's not AI replacing people per se. It's still "company speculation" to invest in the AI era. Most tech layoffs in 2022-2022 is impacting older folks actually ( > 50 y.o.) so to speak. But I would not surprised if the heaviest use of AI would be outside the US, specifically, it could be in the Middle East as they try to build the new city. The US still lot of politics or regulations that may delay the use of AI but next 20 years the AI used to build anything smart from ground zero could be massive.

At the end, AI would create more jobs, especially for GenZ, and most likely outside US.

Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

Anyone who works remote is probably going to loose their job in the next couple years to an AI. This is low-hanging fruit for AI, because no physical work.

If you think I am talking about something in the future, you have not kept up the last 8 weeks. Watch the presentation of the latest version of ChatGPT4o and if you don't have much time, skip to min 15 where "she" teaches him how to do math. Tell me your kid's teacher is that smooth explaining math! Link.

And if you think it is going to stop there than watch this: Figure1 robot demonstration. Remember these things are getting rapidly better. Google CEO estimates that we will see their capabilities double every 12-18 months.

Which means factory jobs are being next. Since we are talking about paradigm shifts, this will be the biggest of all. And it is happening faster than society can respond. 

Nvidia is now higher valued as Apple at $3 trillion market cap. Yes, you have read that correctly. Ask 10 random people, 8 have never heard the name, that is how fast things are changing.

In my mind the outcome is crystal clear. Literally of the population will be unemployed. Anyone who works remote or online or does low skill manual labor. Which means as a society we will have to shift to a universal basic income system, like it or not, there is no other way. People need to eat and pay rent.

It's not going to happen like that. I know there's AI doomers and boomers, it's definitely going to carry some weight but when the boomers push this narrative it's not without a lot of issues that aren't being recognized.

For one, the power for this to happen would require massive, and I mean massive, energy capabilities that just aren't ready right now from a data center level. So while the technology may be running quickly, the ability to warehouse it and let it really conquer America are well behind the curve. I'm not talking a year or two, but a decade plus.  

The biggest question in energy right now is data center electricity consumption and ownership. It's going north, but is it going to double in 2 years or could it go further? Because if it starts trending to double 2024 numbers in 26 or 27, we simply don't have the inputs to create that output. You're going to have AWS, ADS, Meta, all these data center giants fighting tooth and nail against the power grids across the country when we're already showing a great deal of vulnerability. That means AWS will take a nuke plant that is retired or active, and that a locality can't use for when weather becomes a concern. 

The biggest headwinds in the worlds are energy security, acquisition, performance and land ownership. The growth of AI is dead track in the middle of that and while it's persevere it just won't happen in a year or two. One finding the data center locations and two, arguably the hardest, is getting the energy required. The former point is a lot harder than people realize, go with someone to find the land they want to buy for data centers there's so many intrinsic properties required of it's tough cause it's finite-- latency requirements, infrascuture for cooling methods,etc.. It's going to sneak up on the doomers quicker than they think, but it's not going to take over the world like the boomers think tomorrow. 

And don't get me started on the political intervention of it...that's a whole other story. It's not coming tomorrow guys, it's coming sooner than you probably would figure but not immediately. 

Yes it's expected DC electric consumption would double to 1000 TWH in 2026. Some of the most highest-use DC is located in Virginia, Milwaukee, Alabama, Illinois, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Mississippi. Our data center is located in Oregon actually.  Most AI data modelers mostly use cloud-based data centers like mentioned above. They dont use Nvidia GPU directly. So when someone is doing something with GPT it just literally utilizes bandwidth in Virginia-located Amazon DC (and increases the power utililization).  What's interesting is that, Data Center is part of real estate as well, and it's one of the subsectors of real estate that wasn't impacted by interest rate hikes, meaning the DC demand is just so exponential that it's not limited by rate hike or power consumption. As of this phenomenan. Due to that rising demand it causes increasing rent to in the area ( for example in Loudoun County Virginia. I read the electricity cost in this area is 10% cheaper than national average. Also, a colder climate is better for DC.

So from this aspect we can see something that's not too obvious, while the job and population is moving to the south, data center or internet data is actually moving to the north lol

this is what privy/propstream does but you can just simply use redfin

that's good opportunity, why dont you make offer right away ?

oh i love buying from druglord , and the neighborhood would like you too.

Quote from @Raju Balakrishnan:
Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

Anyone who works remote is probably going to loose their job in the next couple years to an AI. This is low-hanging fruit for AI, because no physical work.

If you think I am talking about something in the future, you have not kept up the last 8 weeks. Watch the presentation of the latest version of ChatGPT4o and if you don't have much time, skip to min 15 where "she" teaches him how to do math. Tell me your kid's teacher is that smooth explaining math! Link.

And if you think it is going to stop there than watch this: Figure1 robot demonstration. Remember these things are getting rapidly better. Google CEO estimates that we will see their capabilities double every 12-18 months.

Which means factory jobs are being next. Since we are talking about paradigm shifts, this will be the biggest of all. And it is happening faster than society can respond. 

Nvidia is now higher valued as Apple at $3 trillion market cap. Yes, you have read that correctly. Ask 10 random people, 8 have never heard the name, that is how fast things are changing.

In my mind the outcome is crystal clear. Literally of the population will be unemployed. Anyone who works remote or online or does low skill manual labor. Which means as a society we will have to shift to a universal basic income system, like it or not, there is no other way. People need to eat and pay rent.


 GenAI is a huge advance, no questions about it.  But we should keep in mind that human expectations will change as the capabilities becomes cheaper and faster. For example, if people were ok with having a search engine similar to first version of Google, building the entire google search engine would have been a week high school project. As technology advanced, Google became more complex and advanced so are peoples expectations. 

Similarly, as GenAI becomes available, people will want more and these wants will create more jobs. Thats what essentially happened even with mechanization, computerization and so on. In one line, human needs evolve with available capabilities, and these evolving needs will create new jobs. These jobs  may be different from current ones, but it will happen. A constant factor is human brain, and how our basic brain wants.   This has not changed much in a couple of million years. 


 I can see in future we would see more job like "AI Specialist" also this AI thing would create a branch technology already. For example the AI that would be used for chatbot is essentially very different than AI for meds.

In our sector it creates a gap also, like Storage/Server that can handle GPU and traditional datacenter that only handle non GPU stuffs. Some company moving to infiniband as it's that's used by the GPU while other is pushing for ethernet.....

In reality, actually, the one that really making Nvidia very rich is the fight between elephant to replace Google. 
It's competition between AWS,Azure,Google Compute in Cloud hahahaha, so when elephant is fighting, the one that makes money is the supplier of the weapon (in this case the nvidia lol). 

AI is pretty much wealth transfer from data center/data modeler company to nvidia

Quote from @Elijah Skinner:
Quote from @Tim Ryan:

Boy this is tough to answer. Since you are saying house hack, you'll be living there. I don't ever think about this as my motto is "Live where ever you want, invest only where it makes sense".  Either way, the key is to go to a "Future Growth Market".  Houston had its run. Why would you go there, it's too late. Same for Nashville.  I know most people wait to hear everyone else talking about an area before they will believe in it. I don't invest that way. Go where people are barely talking about but you can see the area growing. So here's my recommendation - Milwaukee area!


 Exactly!  I was looking at Nashville and some suburbs outside of Nashville about 2 years ago,  but it seems like the time for those spots passed by.

Ill check out Milwaukee, never heard that suggested before. appreciate the info 


 If you want to know the next market seriously go deep into Redfin's data.

Quote from @Luka Milicevic:

Is real estate better than stocks???


 haha , the answer is different, same question being asked in twitter or biggerpockets.

BP army seriously needs to invade Twitter-land to convince people that residential real estate in Ohio is worth more than gold silver ;-) all these genZ just wanna do crypto

what i am trying to emphasize is due to how biggerpocket is structured, it creates so many newbie because the technology that's used by biggerpocket is so 1992. it's just simple forum, people ask question and then people would answer.

in 2024 , the journey should be more like finding a better answer interactively, summarization and contextualization. so if someone ask "hey shall i invest for cash flow or appreciations ?" a menu/prompt can say "hey that question has been asked 93,321 times, how about if you read the answer here , here and here : if you still confuse, try to ask more question , but please add more context and your particular situation", then between BP and posters there're more interactions. Or this bot can ask "do you mean cash flow in cleveland" ? yes....and then BP can show the actual data or external URL whether it's possible to cashflowing in cleveland or not ,

Quote from @Marcus Auerbach:

Anyone who works remote is probably going to loose their job in the next couple years to an AI. This is low-hanging fruit for AI, because no physical work.

If you think I am talking about something in the future, you have not kept up the last 8 weeks. Watch the presentation of the latest version of ChatGPT4o and if you don't have much time, skip to min 15 where "she" teaches him how to do math. Tell me your kid's teacher is that smooth explaining math! Link.

And if you think it is going to stop there than watch this: Figure1 robot demonstration. Remember these things are getting rapidly better. Google CEO estimates that we will see their capabilities double every 12-18 months.

Which means factory jobs are being next. Since we are talking about paradigm shifts, this will be the biggest of all. And it is happening faster than society can respond. 

Nvidia is now higher valued as Apple at $3 trillion market cap. Yes, you have read that correctly. Ask 10 random people, 8 have never heard the name, that is how fast things are changing.

In my mind the outcome is crystal clear. Literally of the population will be unemployed. Anyone who works remote or online or does low skill manual labor. Which means as a society we will have to shift to a universal basic income system, like it or not, there is no other way. People need to eat and pay rent.


 some support job or programming job really going to "commoditization" mode. One of the reason is becoz first
(a) everyone job including CEO is actually replaceable by someone in thailand or Dominican republic or AI.
(b) to do business in Californa is just too expensive, remote works shows that company can do the same without office
(c) most jobs are shifting to the cloud anyway

the last recent layoffs of microsoft hit into data center support guy while microsoft is donating their cash to nvidia (aka buying off their gpu lol)